re: Game Of Thrones S5:E10 "Mother's Mercy" BOOK READER THREAD

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Not to mention Doran's stupidity. Whenever Ellara goes up to Doran and says that they should butcher Myrcella, he should have immediately banned her from the Palace. Instead, she can apparently go in, is allowed to have an audience with the girl she's trying to murder, and then goes to see her off? Jaime should have immediately told her to go frick off when he first sees her in the chamber with Myrcella, and had Bronn between her and Myrcella when they were departing. It was simply stupid.

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Agreed. No way I'd take her "change of heart" as legit if I were Jamie. She'd be nowhere near my daughter. I'd cut her fricking head off if she even glanced sideways at her.

The actress playing Myrcella was actually pretty good and I'm fricking pissed they killed her.

I'm pissed they killed Stannis off-screen if he is, in fact, dead. I'm not saying he's not, but they fricked up royally if he is. That piece of shite deserved a Meryn Trant-style gutting. frick him.

Unlike most of you, I like Dany, so I'm glad she got her dragon back and hopefully she'll start making moves in S6. I haven't read the books, but I've gathered that that Khalasar is in awe of Drogon because he swoops in and protects her or something? Do you guys think that she'll bring them into the fold somehow?

And I also gather that most of you don't think Jon is dead. I agree that if he is then it's the worst story-telling I've ever seen. I don't care how bad Martin or D&D want to "break the mold" and "turn the monomyth on its head", that's shite story-telling. It's a fricking song of Ice and Fire. Where's the Ice without Jon Snow? You gonna have Sansa suddenly grow a pair after being shite on umpteen million times? Yeah, that should have already happened, boss.

It's going to end up being some huge feminist epic where Dany and Sansa or Arya fall in love and convince the kingdom to accept them and then they develop some way for dragon sperm to impregnate both of them to carry on the lineage.

This is a rant. Sorry, not sorry. I just started typing and this is what came out.

Also, I'm done staying away from book-reader threads even if another book gets published. It's fun to see just how bad D&D are deviating and how much they're fricking up.

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Holy stream of consciousness batman.

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Channeling my inner-Faulkner. Had to get it out.

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If Jon is PERMANENTLY dead then it is some of the worst writing ever.

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Some ways HBO can make it even worse:

Melisandre gives Grey Worm new balls. (They really seem to love Grey Worm) He marries Missandei and claims the iron throne.

What else?

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Aspiring book reader here. What would be a good point to start reading? What comes next, season 6 or the new book?


You would probably be massively confused just picking up halfway through the series

Go book 1

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Honestly since you watched the show before starting the books, I'd just read books 1-3 and not even bother with 4 and 5...the first 3 are much better and they almost follow the show's storylines.

I'm in the middle of AFfC right now. It's alright. I'm mainly just enjoying the little extras here and there along with the differences which are pretty minor. Sam is in Braavos and just had a short run in with Arya. Little things like that make the books worth it even though the show has caught up.

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I think GRRM wanted Jon to live in the books originally, but after everyone guessed his R+L=J "sleeper spoiler" he decided to say "frick you" and kill him in the show

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There isn't a fundamental difference between what happened in the show and the last time we saw Jon at the Wall - in the books, death is not always permanent (Dondarrian - also in the show, LSH, Cold Hands, etc.), near death isn't always permanent (Ser Robert Strong), and almost certain death isn't always fatal (Dany and the fire - also in the show).

So, I've always believed Jon is dead and will be resurrected a la Dondarrion (Thoros and Mellisandre both serve the Lord of Light) - if not - nothing about the Tower of Joy, Robert's Rebellion or any of that development in the books makes any sense - whatsoever. That is far too much effort to be a false lead.

/rant

Why the hell would just stop reading? And read only the books that are the closest in source material to what you've already seen? That's a waste of time

The difference in material is all the more reason TO read the books, not a reason not to


Reading something where you already know everything that's going to happen seems a little dull.

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Not to mention Doran's stupidity. Whenever Ellara goes up to Doran and says that they should butcher Myrcella, he should have immediately banned her from the Palace. Instead, she can apparently go in, is allowed to have an audience with the girl she's trying to murder, and then goes to see her off? Jaime should have immediately told her to go frick off when he first sees her in the chamber with Myrcella, and had Bronn between her and Myrcella when they were departing. It was simply stupid.

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Here's where they're starting to lose me. Doran is my favorite character in the books. He is the only, the only, actual head of state with any sense. He is on par with Littlefinger, Varys, and Tyrion when it comes to the game of thrones and is playing the long game. He has contingencies for contingencies and his feebleness is all pretty much a ruse for how nimble his brain is.

I thought it was interesting that he got Trystane on the small counsel, but how the hell are you going to protect that kid? You really think he won't end up dead with Cersei back there? Unless he wants him dead. Or he thinks Myrcella's love for him will protect him. The fact that he didn't send Areo Hotah or somebody with him seems moronic. Moreover, the lack of any discussion or mention of sending Quentyn to Essos to woo Dany and all of the other preparations he has made, including befriending Varys, seems to indicate that the showrunners are nerfing the frick out of him, which is shitty. If that's any indication of the books, I am going to burn GRRM in effigy.

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Since Hodors don't know what a spoiler would be we monitor and RA spoilers

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I began reading the Hodor thread today and I see this from a reader. This does not make sense at all. People can guess things that end up being true. Just reading the first few pages I saw three correct guesses that happened in the last episode that never happened in the books. Should those guesses have been RA'd as spoilers?
I really hope the book does not come out before the next season. I find the readers in the Hodor thread more annoying than any of the Hodors have ever been. I can barely stand to read the Hodor thread because of how the readers are behaving in there.

Bring back banning readers in the Hodor thread.