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Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:16 am to Roger Klarvin
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least of which not being her granddaughter's future
Margery seemed to have him controlled on that front and it would have put them in a position of greater power. Just don't get what they gain by killing him.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:20 am to Jet12
It was obvious to me because I caught the necklace shot (or at least thought I did, had to rewind to be sure). After that, remembering the scene last week, it seemed like a kick in the head to me.
That extended shot of her face right before Joffrey died seemed like a not so subtle hint as well.
My question for those saying it wasn't Olenna: Who else? It was obviously the wine that got him, and it had to have been put in while he was cutting the pie. Nobody else had any better opportunity to get the poison in except Margery, but that REALLY wouldn't make sense given that she seems perfectly willing to take Joffrey's D to be queen.
Anyone else would have had just as much "difficulty" getting the poison in and Olenna was closer than anyone but Margery. It wasnt Tyrion because we (and everyone else) would have seen him drop it in as he got the cup and the clear implication from the previews this year is that he is innocent.
Sansa never had any opportunity to do it, and nobody else on the stage would have done it.
That extended shot of her face right before Joffrey died seemed like a not so subtle hint as well.
My question for those saying it wasn't Olenna: Who else? It was obviously the wine that got him, and it had to have been put in while he was cutting the pie. Nobody else had any better opportunity to get the poison in except Margery, but that REALLY wouldn't make sense given that she seems perfectly willing to take Joffrey's D to be queen.
Anyone else would have had just as much "difficulty" getting the poison in and Olenna was closer than anyone but Margery. It wasnt Tyrion because we (and everyone else) would have seen him drop it in as he got the cup and the clear implication from the previews this year is that he is innocent.
Sansa never had any opportunity to do it, and nobody else on the stage would have done it.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:22 am to DoUrden
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Margery seemed to have him controlled on that front and it would have put them in a position of greater power. Just don't get what they gain by killing him.
Olenna is also very bitter at the Lannisters in general.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:22 am to Roger Klarvin
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My question for those saying it wasn't Olenna: Who else?
Literally everyone wanted him dead.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:24 am to Roger Klarvin
Maybe Bran used his animal powers and was one of those birds and before the birds were put into the cake he made the bird eat some poison shite and when the bird got put into the cake, he threw up the poison shite in the cake.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:24 am to Roger Klarvin
Let's just put this one to rest. Olenna never has the opportunity to put anything in Joffrey's drink. Tyrion hands him the goblet, he drinks, and Margary puts the goblet on the table, far from Olenna's reach. She never has the chance to put the poison diamond in the drink. Case closed.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:24 am to Roger Klarvin
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Olenna is also very bitter at the Lannisters in general.
Honestly, who isn't? Oberyn probably has her beat in terms of hating the Lannisters in general.
I think if she did it, there's more behind it than just sparing her granddaughter. She's almost just as sharp-witted and scheming as Varys.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:24 am to Jet12
Wait, didn't one of the maesters way back when try to poison Melisandre? If I remember, he pulled a stone or some sort of crystal from his chain and dropped it in his chalice and shared his wine with her as a peace offering. He knew he'd die, but he'd also take out Melissandre, but she ended up living while the maester went down like a Joffrey.
EDIT: YES!
With the missing crystal from Sansa's necklace and Granny playing with it right before it went missing, I'm now convinced that it was the Martells somehow using the fool to give Sansa the poison she'd unwittingly bring to the wedding so it can be used and only have a tiny window in which the Martells would actually have the poison in their possession.
EDIT: YES!
With the missing crystal from Sansa's necklace and Granny playing with it right before it went missing, I'm now convinced that it was the Martells somehow using the fool to give Sansa the poison she'd unwittingly bring to the wedding so it can be used and only have a tiny window in which the Martells would actually have the poison in their possession.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 1:33 am
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:25 am to xXLSUXx
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Literally everyone wanted him dead.
Duh, but who had a better opportunity?
In the preview next week Olenna is telling Margery her situation has "improved substantially". She seems to think its for the best.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:26 am to TigerstuckinMS
Great catch, forgot about that 
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:28 am to Stonehog
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Let's just put this one to rest. Olenna never has the opportunity to put anything in Joffrey's drink. Tyrion hands him the goblet, he drinks, and Margary puts the goblet on the table, far from Olenna's reach. She never has the chance to put the poison diamond in the drink. Case closed.
You're not remembering the sequence correctly, and the reality is that she was never more than a few feet from it and nobody else had any better opportunity.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:29 am to Roger Klarvin
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Duh, but who had a better opportunity?
In the preview next week Olenna is telling Margery her situation has "improved substantially". She seems to think its for the best.
Yeah, not saying it isn't her, but there were a lot of attendees at the wedding who were in close proximity.
Does it have to be immediate poison?
The necklace definitely stood out during last week's episode, and I recognized it immediately tonight.... Just saying wouldn't be surprised if they threw us a curveball either.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:29 am to Jet12
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I think if she did it, there's more behind it than just sparing her granddaughter. She's almost just as sharp-witted and scheming as Varys
Agreed, and I wouldn't be shocked if Varys or Littlefinger are involved in some way.
There is definitely more to this.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:32 am to xXLSUXx
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Does it have to be immediate poison?
It's definitely what they want us to think anyway. Fine one minute, then ten seconds after a big drink he starts choking.
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The necklace definitely stood out during last week's episode, and I recognized it immediately tonight.... Just saying wouldn't be surprised if they threw us a curveball either.
That's all I'm saying. To deny the clear implication of the hints given to us seems crazy to me. They may be trying to mislead us, but they ARE pointing to it being Olenna. The necklace shot removes all doubt.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:33 am to Roger Klarvin
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You're not remembering the sequence correctly, and the reality is that she was never more than a few feet from it and nobody else had any better opportunity.
How is that not correct?
He takes a drink while they're bringing out the pie, he hands his goblet to Margary and she puts it on the table behind her, far from Olenna's reach, who also remains seated the entire time.
So when exactly did she drop poison in his drink?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:33 am to xXLSUXx
I thought Martin said that when King Joffrey gets poisoned, they flop their wieners in his face.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:42 am to Stonehog
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He takes a drink while they're bringing out the pie, he hands his goblet to Margary and she puts it on the table behind her, far from Olenna's reach, who also remains seated the entire time.
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. However it didn't seem to me like the table was very far from Olenna.
I just cant think of who else had any better shot at it. Combined with everything else it seems like the only plausible scenario. The only other option would be Margery but that makes negative sense.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:43 am to Roger Klarvin
I think there's some kind of crazy fricking curse on that Valyrian sword. He spilled blood in the pie from the sword and something weird happened.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:46 am to stevo1905
Was that the same song the minstrels played at the freys right before the Starks were killed? It was that slow song that Joffrey threw money at them to stop.
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