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re: Game of Thrones S4:E2:"The Lion and the Rose", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)

Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:14 am to
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:14 am to
yes but sansa picked up the cup and handed it to Tyrion who then pours wine into. Joff doesnt drink it from it bc he wants tyrion to kneel. oh look the cake, cup goes down cuts the cake then goes back to the wine
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:15 am to
this is gonna get to 50 pgs
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:15 am to
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So she threw the poison diamond in the goblet from where she was sitting? She is never close enough to the goblet to drop poison in. She is sitting at an entirely different table. You should rewatch the scene, that YouTube video was all chopped up.


She's still no more than a few feet away. It would take two seconds to drop it in.

Seriously, all the slight of hand shite in movies and TV and THIS shocks you?
Posted by Tiger Attorney
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:15 am to
Could the Maester have potentially saved Joffrey with some sort of antidote if he were present?


Also it's kind of you smelt it you dealt it situation. ..the one who immediately accuses (cersei) another (tyrion) is often the one who did it.
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:16 am to
true
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:17 am to
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Could the Maester have potentially saved Joffrey with some sort of antidote if he were present?




Maybe but seemed the damage was done either way
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:17 am to
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She's still no more than a few feet away. It would take two seconds to drop it in.


She never gets close enough to drop it in and she is sitting at a different table. Like I said, rewatch the entire scene. She is more than "a few feet away."
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 2:18 am
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:19 am to
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this is gonna get to 50 pgs




I cant believe it is not already there. I watched the episode like 45 mins late or so so I was expecting a crazy thread and was only like 10 pages or so when I got in. Pretty shocked it was that low
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:19 am to
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Also it's kind of you smelt it you dealt it situation. ..the one who immediately accuses (cersei) another (tyrion) is often the one who did it.


Cersei poisoning her own son seems out there, even for her. The only reason Id say its even a remote possibility is because she still has Tommen to crown.

Still seems too farfetched, and it doesn't explain all the links to Olenna.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:19 am to
Vary says he serves the realm...but why do it at Joffrey s wedding?

It's so terrible to kill at weddings in this world it makes me think that this was done at the wedding specifically as revenge for the Starks. ..the minstrel music being the same as at the freys makes me think this too.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:20 am to
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She never gets close enough to drop it in and she is sitting at a different table. Like I said, rewatch the entire scene. She is more than "a few feet away."


But you don't see her while Joffrey is hacking at the pie.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:21 am to
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I cant believe it is not already there. I watched the episode like 45 mins late or so so I was expecting a crazy thread and was only like 10 pages or so when I got in. Pretty shocked it was that low

yeah it was maybe 4 pgs when the episode ended
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:22 am to
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It's so terrible to kill at weddings in this world it makes me think that this was done at the wedding specifically as revenge for the Starks



completely agree.


and yeah not even Cersei is bad enough for that. but then again........

I just dont see where she could have done that
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:23 am to
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But you don't see her while Joffrey is hacking at the pie.


Yes you do. She stands up with everyone, he chops the pie, and she sits back down. It even shows the table where the goblet is sitting when the birds fly up in the air and Olenna is still at her table.

Do you have a way to rewatch that scene?
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:24 am to
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yeah it was maybe 4 pgs when the episode ended




I think thats how it should be. watch the episode dont post because you are gonna miss so much. but right after it should be insane
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:24 am to
quote:

It's so terrible to kill at weddings in this world it makes me think that this was done at the wedding specifically as revenge for the Starks. ..the minstrel music being the same as at the freys makes me think this too.


But Sansa is the only person there who would be interested in avenging the Starks in any meaningful way. If it was revenge for the Starks, someone not present has to be behind the scenes calling the shots and making deals with others. I think Varys might be involved but I don't see any reason for him to be interested in avenging the Starks. Littlefinger is the only other guy with those kind of connections and he is only out for himself and has a fancy new gig thanks to the Lannisters.

I just don't see this being about the Starks.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:25 am to
Yeh...not saying it was cersei


The more I think about it...the more questions I have.

Veras might have known and just let it happen for the good of the realm.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:27 am to
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Yes you do. She stands up with everyone, he chops the pie, and she sits back down. It even shows the table where the goblet is sitting when the birds fly up in the air and Olenna is still at her table.

Do you have a way to rewatch that scene?


I guess I just didn't notice her, either way though it doesn't change that she seems to clearly be implicated here.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:27 am to
The fact that it happens at the wedding I think is meaningful. In this world it's a big deal to kill at a wedding (they say it several times)
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:27 am to
seriously,

At first it was so cut and dry for me but after thinking about it my mind is spinning
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