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re: Ellen Page comes out as transgender, announces he is now Elliot Page.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 5:51 pm to PEEPO
Posted on 12/2/20 at 5:51 pm to PEEPO
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What happens to her girlfriend?
Like you're a lesbian and you get together with another lesbian, who presumably likes women.
And then you decide you're going to start living as a man. What does your lesbian partner think about that? I thought she wanted to be with a woman? If you're a "man" then is she still a lesbian or is she straight now?
I think you just defined "QUEER."
Posted on 12/2/20 at 5:56 pm to cgrand
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Page uses both he/him and they/them pronouns, and describes himself as transgender and non-binary, meaning that his gender identity is neither man nor woman.
how can you be non-binary if you are using male pronouns to describe yourself?
also how can you be gay if you are now a "dude" who likes women...
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:00 pm to partywiththelombardi
It is kind of trippy how fast Elliot’s Wikipedia page was changed to accommodate Elliot’s preferred pronouns.
Are Wikipedia editors waiting with hair-triggers and custom made scripts to change pronouns whenever someone transitions?
Are Wikipedia editors waiting with hair-triggers and custom made scripts to change pronouns whenever someone transitions?
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:10 pm to UndercoverBryologist
quote:No, but her publicist is. This is 100% a publicity stunt. Naïve people buy into it and treat it like it's some kind of vital social issue. It isn't.
Are Wikipedia editors waiting with hair-triggers and custom made scripts to change pronouns whenever someone transitions?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:10 pm to partywiththelombardi
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Page uses both he/him and they/them pronouns, and describes himself as transgender and non-binary, meaning that his gender identity is neither man nor woman.
I'm fine with calling someone whatever they want. I'm fine with he/him, she/her. I'm not concerned about whether they call themselves gay, striaght, non-binary, whatever. But a person is just not a them. Them is plural. That, I cannot do.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:15 pm to LaLadyinTx
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Them is plural.
It's also the proper pronoun for someone of an unknown gender.
LaLady: Who was that on the phone?
Boo: Some telemarketer, I hung up on them. frick telemarketers.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:53 pm to LaLadyinTx
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I'm fine with calling someone whatever they want.
You just used a plural pronoun to replace a singular. I guess that plural rule only applies when you want it to...
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:29 pm to Jay Are
I'm so triggered that they're going to have a man playing a woman on Umbrella Academy now. Outrageous.
ETA: Not really. People can't change sex or gender.
ETA: Not really. People can't change sex or gender.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:51 pm to Cs
I fully accept the idea that any adult has the right to live their life however they choose. That obviously includes their sexual preferences, however they want to dress, and what they ask people to call them. That doesn't obligate other people to acquiesce to sexual advances, find them attractive, or speak in a way that pleases the person with those preferences.
Anyway, I can't help but notice that the logic of the gender name games gets fairly convoluted. Ellen (Elliott) married a woman with a stated preference for other women. Her partner is now in a fairly confusing position of being either a lesbian or a straight woman depending mostly upon if she defines her partner by the original or adopted sex. Calling her transphobic would probably be a typical claim but that actually seems homophobic in this case because it denies a guy woman her prerogative to prefer a person of the same sex.
Anyway, I can't help but notice that the logic of the gender name games gets fairly convoluted. Ellen (Elliott) married a woman with a stated preference for other women. Her partner is now in a fairly confusing position of being either a lesbian or a straight woman depending mostly upon if she defines her partner by the original or adopted sex. Calling her transphobic would probably be a typical claim but that actually seems homophobic in this case because it denies a guy woman her prerogative to prefer a person of the same sex.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:32 pm to CocomoLSU
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most definitely either a man or a woman.
This nebulousness got 16 upvotes.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:33 pm to blueboy
I don’t know, she looks pretty damaged.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:52 pm to molsusports
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Anyway, I can't help but notice that the logic of the gender name games gets fairly convoluted
Things get convoluted quickly when reality itself becomes subject to your whims and preferences.
People are allowed to live their life however they please. If someone wants to dress up like a horse and call themselves Sugar Cube and stuff, so be it. But the idea that the world has to participate in madness is where things cross a line.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 5:15 am to Cs
Let's face it, Ellen Page is 33 years old. But ever since she made JUNO ( as a 20 yr old playing a 15-16 yr HS girl ) she's been having to pay a penance for the unforgivable sin of staring in a movie which effectively speaks out against abortion.
And her kind , the Hollywood weirdos, have never let her forget it either. I think she let it get to her and this is the result. She's become more and more bizarre and ' out there ', nearly having a mental break down on late night TV over the fake, staged Jessie Smollett attack.
As someone mentioned above, she may be on the short list of those not likely to still be around in 5 years.
And her kind , the Hollywood weirdos, have never let her forget it either. I think she let it get to her and this is the result. She's become more and more bizarre and ' out there ', nearly having a mental break down on late night TV over the fake, staged Jessie Smollett attack.
As someone mentioned above, she may be on the short list of those not likely to still be around in 5 years.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 8:45 am to AURaptor
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she's been having to pay a penance for the unforgivable sin of staring in a movie which effectively speaks out against abortion.
And her kind , the Hollywood weirdos, have never let her forget it either. I think she let it get to her and this is the result.
This is the dumbest cause and effect I've ever seen. That bad movie was massively celebrated. No one else involved has been "punished" since. Since 2007, they've worked almost exclusively with directors of their choice, often working as a producer on these as alert movies, and only occasionally dipping into the mainstream, like with Days of Future Past, Flatliners, and The Umbrella Academy.
Juno is still beloved. You just invented a controversy whole cloth.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:33 am to Jay Are
Ellen was the star of that movie. She was the one who portrayed the smart and savvy kid who went to get an abortion and then changed her mind. That was a central message, that a woman can make a choice and it doesn’t have to involve taking a life. All those other actors were already more established than her, and sure, she also went on to make more movies and get more exposure. But her personal life seems to have gone wildly sideways in the past 13 years. Did you happen to see her meltdown after the fake Jesse Smollett incident in Chicago? My God, she went Kathy Griffin nuts. Over a fake stunt that Jesse still hasn’t paid any repercussions for.
I thought the movie was interesting, for what it was. A little bit goofy and quirky, which is fine. But I didn’t invent anything, just shared an opinion. Agree with it or not.
I thought the movie was interesting, for what it was. A little bit goofy and quirky, which is fine. But I didn’t invent anything, just shared an opinion. Agree with it or not.
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/3/20 at 9:33 am to PEEPO
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But the idea that the world has to participate in madness is where things cross a line.
And this.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:24 pm to AURaptor
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That was a central message, that a woman can make a choice and it doesn’t have to involve taking a life. All those other actors were already more established than her, and sure, she also went on to make more movies and get more exposure.
That was the message, yes. That's been the message of almost every single movie depicting abortion ever made in America. Abortion has been used as a way to make female characters appear fallen or wicked. Abortion is typically depicted as a conflict women eventually decide against.
Unpregnant, from this year, is the first abortion movie I can find that was funded by Hollywood studio dollars, to feature a prominent abortion plot that neither makes the decision a major conflict for the main character nor features any supporting characters seriously trying to talk her out of it (the ex boyfriend and the evangelical couple are humorous afterthoughts). [Citizen Ruth is a Hollywood movie, but it's a satire of the whole debate, and Ruth doesn't get the abortion.] Hollywood's history, up through present day, is very pro-life, it's just not always Christian pro-life. It's hard to find independent and foreign movies that have abortion plots that actually end with the abortion. Even the tiny indie movie from this year, Never Rarely Sometimes Always, makes the character think very seriously about her choice before she makes it.
Page's "outbursts" have nothing to do with starring in a film that was beloved/is still beloved by both audiences and critics. And they have had an objectively more consistent career in the past 13 years than both Michael Cera and Diablo Cody. Cera's only notable role in the last 7 years is Molly's Game. Diablo Cody won the Oscar for her anti-abortion screenplay, had her movie outright panned, and hasn't written a hit since. Were they not also cursed by the Hollywood elites that clearly share the same believes Juno espouses? Of course not. They have careers that ebb and flow, like every other non A-List star.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:00 pm to Jay Are
I like its movie about roller derby, Flatliners made me think it went to the Kristin Stewart School of Acting
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 12/3/20 at 1:10 pm to Philzilla2k
After watching her lesbian scene with Kate Mara, it is safe to say I would frick the ever living shite out of Elliot.
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