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re: Disney’s Raya and the Last Dragon reviews show that society has lost its damn mind
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:23 am to Salmon
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:23 am to Salmon
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what % of "society" do think these views represent?
5%? maybe?
The point is these are the only people allowed to talk these days. There was a poll that asked the far right, conservatives, moderates, liberals, and leftists if they feel comfortable sharing their political opinions, and the former 4 all were under 40%. Leftists on the other hand were at a whopping 85%. If you read anything like these reviews 10 years ago, everyone would denounce this person as a clear lunatic and racist and may have gotten fired for this review. Now it doesn’t even raise an eyebrow. Ignore this at your own peril because this cancel culture bullshite will affect you soon. Maher was spot on this week.
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:29 am to OMLandshark
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There was a poll that asked the far right, conservatives, moderates, liberals, and leftists if they feel comfortable sharing their political opinions, and the former 4 all were under 40%. Leftists on the other hand were at a whopping 85%
Real life doesn't seem to jibe with these numbers; my friends on all sides of the political spectrum seem louder than ever (Right, Left, whatever).
I think it's less "people are afraid" and more "people don't bother." We are so ingrained into our political identities that "debate" is a thing of the past. Why bother talking about how you feel on a political subject with someone on the other side? You're not going to convince them of anything, because we've rooted that "I'm a Republican/Conservative" and "I'm a Democrat/Liberal" into the same portion of our brains of "I'm an LSU/Alabama/Ole Miss fan". The idea of changing our fandom based on a debate point is absurd, but that's where political allegiances fall.
Part of that, I'm sure, is the lack of Moderates holding and running for political office. There's no longer a "this person support some of my things, and some of their things, and we can agree on those things." Now it's, "you support all MY things or you're a traitor to my cause/belief/etc." It is absurd, but that's where we are.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:37 am to OMLandshark
Activist Whores are hating this? I'm going to fire it up and watch it tonight
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:40 am to skrayper
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Real life doesn't seem to jibe with these numbers; my friends on all sides of the political spectrum seem louder than ever (Right, Left, whatever).
Granted it’s a pollster calling you and most people are rightly fearful, distrustful, and disdainful with pollsters. But all of my left wing friends were very vocal on Facebook over the election, and only one of my right wing friends spoke up. I’m a moderate, and save for being very vocal about the Chinese concentration camps in Xinjiang (always been passionate about that issue ever I found out about that in the late 2000s), I didn’t speak up politically until Kamala was nominated as VP. I didn’t think most people knew who she actually was and what they were signing up by voting for that ticket, so while I’m with my left wing friends on despising Trump, he was clearly the lesser of two evils.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:50 am
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:07 am to OMLandshark
On one side of their mouths, “We want more movies about people of color” and “more people of color working in the movies.”
On the other side, “you used the wrong people of color in the movies!”
If I go trying to cast a film about an Ecuadorian, I’m probably going to have to settle for some other Hispanic from South America or Central America if the pool of actors from Ecuador available to me isn’t deep enough.
This isn’t like trying to make Zorro with John Wayne or the Jackson Five Story with the Allman Brothers.
On the other side, “you used the wrong people of color in the movies!”
If I go trying to cast a film about an Ecuadorian, I’m probably going to have to settle for some other Hispanic from South America or Central America if the pool of actors from Ecuador available to me isn’t deep enough.
This isn’t like trying to make Zorro with John Wayne or the Jackson Five Story with the Allman Brothers.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:07 am to OMLandshark
So this movie must be really good. Hoping it's as good if not better than Moana.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:13 am to OMLandshark
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To be clear, like Avatar before it, Raya and the Last Dragon is still very much an American story.
WTF? Who are they making this movie for? Americans! Yes, Disney is global, but this is for an American audience. Is Disney going to make a movie for Chinese and then market it here?
These writers are just crazy. But so is the whole world of virtue signaling folks!
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:15 am to LaLadyinTx
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Is Disney going to make a movie for Chinese and then market it here?
They kind of already did this and directly thanked China’s version of the Schutzstaffel
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:44 am to OMLandshark
I’ve just stopped reading reviews for this reason
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:46 am to Salmon
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what % of "society" do think these views represent?
5%? maybe?
You always say this but here we are in a world where dr Seuss books are no longer being published because they are racist and Peter Pan and the incredibles are now considered too controversial for kids and censored inaccessible on kids Disney accounts
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:47 am to Woolfman_8
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I’ve just stopped reading reviews for this reason
I’ve never read reviews like these where they clearly WANT to give it a negative review, but know it’s way too good to justify it, so instead they just go and lecture the cast, crew, and audience how they’re better people than you.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 10:54 am to Salmon
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This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:08 am to Scruffy
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Does the percentage really matter when that supposed 5% is the contingent that is driving policy, social stances, economic and marketing views, etc.?
yes? especially if you are making some proclamation about society as a whole
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I find it interesting when people dismiss the viewpoints of the groups that are actively driving the discourse and direction of almost everything because “they are only 5% of the population”.
I find it interesting when people argue strawmen
I'm dismissing the notion that these people represent society as a whole
if a small contingent of society is driving societal stances for corporations or politicians, I'm not sure what you want me, as an individual, to do
I think the best way to rid ourselves of outrage culture is to actively ignore it, but some of y'all can't help yourselves and actively participate in it
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:09 am to Scruffy
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I find it interesting when people dismiss the viewpoints of the groups that are actively driving the discourse and direction of almost everything because “they are only 5% of the population”.
Yeah, one of the biggest mistakes moderates, conservatives, and even liberals have made is assuming these pc pussies would get eaten alive in the real world and either grow the frick up or become a barista at Starbucks. They were actually a cancer that has now spread. Sure, only 5% of our body is now cancerous, but it’s enough to kill us.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:19 am to Salmon
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This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:20 am to Salmon
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yes? especially if you are making some proclamation about society as a whole
But what if that 5% is now running society and is now capable of bullying much of the other 95% to bend the fricking knee. My parents think all this shite is crazy, but they’ve said I need to do as I’m told and shut up. Sorry, I used to be this naive, but not anymore. Most people these days are fricking cowards when push comes to shove.
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I'm dismissing the notion that these people represent society as a whole
if a small contingent of society is driving societal stances for corporations or politicians, I'm not sure what you want me, as an individual, to do
You stand up to them and tell them to frick off. They can’t cancel all of us.
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I think the best way to rid ourselves of outrage culture is to actively ignore it, but some of y'all can't help yourselves and actively participate in it
That’s exactly how we got here though. I thought that these pussies would be destroyed by the real world and just go on to be baristas, but instead they’ve convinced corporations and the government at large that their fantasy bullshite world is the real one. Take a guess how many unarmed black men were killed by the police in 2019. Got to be at least in the 4 digits... right? 3 digits? Try 12. Not digits but total people, and 5 of them were beating the shite out of a cop with their bare fists when they shot them.
Now you’ve seen tens of millions of people marching the street and tens of thousands destroying property and the government lets them get away with it. Fascism is neither a right nor left wing ideology. Fascism is when the corporate merges with the state at the expense of the individual. As far as I’m concerned we’re here.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 11:23 am
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:28 am to OMLandshark
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But what if that 5% is now running society and is now capable of bullying much of the other 95% to bend the fricking knee. My parents think all this shite is crazy, but they’ve said I need to do as I’m told and shut up. Sorry, I used to be this naive, but not anymore. Most people these days are fricking cowards when push comes to shove.
don't bend the knee?
I can't control corporations and politicians that think Twitter represents real life
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That’s exactly how we got here though.
No.
We got here by reacting to outrage culture, which then reacts back, which then draws another reaction and on and on and on.
This is never going to end because no one just says "shut the frick up" and moves on.
You have to react. You have to have that "win". Its a competition. Overreacting to an overreaction just begets another overreaction.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 11:48 am to Salmon
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don't bend the knee?
I can't control corporations and politicians that think Twitter represents real life
That's my plan, but I can't do it alone. Scruffy just came out and admitted he wouldn't.
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No.
We got here by reacting to outrage culture, which then reacts back, which then draws another reaction and on and on and on.
This is never going to end because no one just says "shut the frick up" and moves on.
Nah, we ignored it and naively assumed this shite would stay on college campuses and Twitter. It has now taken over the government, most corporations, the media, Big Tech, college campuses, Hollywood, bookstores, and distribution networks. The sane 95% doesn't own shite at this point to combat it.
They said go make your own Twitter, the right and moderates said OK, and then they banned it from all servers and they say go make your own servers, and that will escalate to make your own internet/phone lines, which goes to make your own bank and credit cards, which finally goes to make your own country, oh wait you can't, you're my bitch, and do as you're fricking told if you want to live.
Sorry, these assholes are the mouse from hell from that children's book. We're well past the cookie and now the fricker has invited his friends over and demanding I hang it's picture on the fridge. No, it's time for the mouse to GTFO. We are living in a tyranny.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 12:25 pm to OMLandshark
So wait, they're mad because a new movie wasn't historically or culturally accurate enough, so it's racist? But when a movie based on 1700-1800's Europe doesn't have enough POC in major roles it's racist too, when there were no POC that weren't slaves in Europe. Think Bridgerton, not historically accurate whatsoever, but it's a fictional show. Now we can't have people doing voice overs in an Asian based cartoon that aren't 100% Asian? This is getting ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:07 pm to lowhound
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So wait, they're mad because a new movie wasn't historically or culturally accurate enough, so it's racist? But when a movie based on 1700-1800's Europe doesn't have enough POC in major roles it's racist too, when there were no POC that weren't slaves in Europe. Think Bridgerton, not historically accurate whatsoever, but it's a fictional show. Now we can't have people doing voice overs in an Asian based cartoon that aren't 100% Asian? This is getting ridiculous.
Yes, this does get confusing. When people, like the OP, decide that 2 individuals represent society as a whole, or even one abstract invented ideal, such as "the left", it doesn't make much sense. It didn't make sense because you're reading stupid reactions to stupid individual comments. The 2 reviewers quoted likely didn't write anything about Bridgerton, but you've decided or been convinced that all comments you don't agree with are coming from the same people. They're not.
This is why dunking on ideas like "the left" or "the right" is stupid. You might feel that you've found and called out an ideological contradiction or inconsistency, when you've usually just called out yourself for mindlessly following the group think of an opposing ideology.
As for the OP, I don't understand how we can both admit this is clickbait nonsense from regular purveyors of such content and also believe this represents the fall of our proverbial Rome. OP is perpetuating the reaction he claims to disdain.
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