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re: Did Jaime Lannister have the biggest wasted character arc ever?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:49 pm to John Casey
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:49 pm to John Casey
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Pretty much all of the main characters in Game of Thrones, in that last season
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
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In my mind Jaime's arc is unfinished. As far as I remember Jaime is in the riverlands and has just burned a letter from Cersei asking for his help in King's Landing.
"Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fricking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know."
I've always hoped either Jon or Jaime killed the NK. Jon because of the North aspect. Jaime because of the Kingslayer aspect.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:29 pm to UnluckyTiger
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This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 11/22/24 at 3:04 am to CocomoLSU
I actually like Jamie's character in the later seasons of GOT. His fall from grace after losing his hand. I totally agree that he should have been the one to kill Cersie.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 6:20 am to CocomoLSU
quote:How those idiots that ran the show couldn't even pull this off at the end proves how stupid these people really were. It was a no brainer and they couldn't even see that.
he should've been the one to kill her.
He kills her and then he dies from some freak event associated with her death would have been so easy but.....
This post was edited on 11/22/24 at 6:22 am
Posted on 11/22/24 at 10:29 am to BluegrassBelle
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I feel like the books were headed more towards him breaking with Ceresi where they ended but who knows.
The thing about the books - and it's the reason that I don't think GRRM will ever finish them - is that they were penned at the altar of "subverting expectations and reflecting reality." In real life, there are no main characters and no one is guaranteed a happy ending, and the books are the same way. Characters who you have been led to believe are major players in the plot get killed without achieving their goals. Plot threads that seem to be really, really important sometimes don't ever go anywhere. Characters you are certain are dead and whose arcs seem to have been completed suddenly return. It makes for a fun read because you feel like anything could happen at any moment, and it does arguably reflect reality better I guess, but GRRM wrote himself into a corner when it comes to providing an ending for a series like that. How do you write a satisfying ending that makes the audience happy while at the same time staying true to the "subverting expectations and reflecting reality" theme you started with? That's why I think that the ending as presented in the TV series really is, in broad strokes, the ending that GRRM had come up with for the books. When he floated that trial balloon on HBO and it was shot down in flames he decided that leaving the books unfinished gave him the ability to plausibly deny that that was the ending he really intended, so it's better to just leave them as they are.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 11:23 am to RollTide1987
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Snow's ending made absolutely no sense whatsoever. He was permanently banished to the Night's Watch for the crime of killing a psychopathic queen who had just leveled an entire city, killing thousands, after that city had surrendered itself. Beyond the injustice just to please the few surviving Unsullied (who immediately head back across the Narrow Sea), the absurdity of the punishment is made more plain by the fact that there is no more Night's Watch. The White Walkers had been defeated and the Wall had been destroyed. What purpose does that Order serve in the aftermath of all that has happened?
Not only that, as soon as Grey Worm and his Unsullied had disappeared beyond the horizon, they could have been like: "Sike! Jon, you can stay in King's Landing."
Yea, +1 to all of that. The Nights Watch thing is just laughable. Jon's punishment is decided by freaking Grey Worm. GREY WORM. Really? Who gives an F about Grey Worm. And why is everyone ok with it? Sansa literally says she has an army outside. Gtfo with that, especially since he's automatically leaving to Missendei's homeland right after. BTW that's a place where foreigners actually die when they get there because it's poisonous to outsiders. So Grey Worm and the unsullied are sailing to their death.
And F Tyrion. Tyrion is the one who told Jon he needed to kill Daenerys. But no he isn't going to mention that. He's ok shipping off Jon because he carried out the act but he's now on the small counsel living his best life despite it being his plan. Jon would not have went through with it if Tyrion hadn't coached him up on it
Also we're supposed to believe that the free folk are just totally fine going back beyond the wall just because Jon was banished. They spent their entire lives trying to get back over the wall and now they just willing go back? Yet another storyline for an entre group of people made useless in one 15 minute scene.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 1:26 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Yes. If you read the books you’ll know that excluding Lady Stoneheart from the show killed his arc when that decision was made.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 4:23 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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The thing about the books - and it's the reason that I don't think GRRM will ever finish them - is that they were penned at the altar of "subverting expectations and reflecting reality." In real life, there are no main characters and no one is guaranteed a happy ending, and the books are the same way.
Exactly. Fan service is not real life. In reality, arc's don't always complete, most bad guys stay bad guys, and sometimes the good die young. Jaime was a messed up human being for most of his life, who died a messed up human being.
All that said as a viewer I was disappointed in how he died, but was it implausible, no.
Posted on 11/22/24 at 5:32 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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especially since he's automatically leaving to Missendei's homeland right after. BTW that's a place where foreigners actually die when they get there because it's poisonous to outsiders. So Grey Worm and the unsullied are sailing to their death.
GrEyWORm and MiSsEnDei kind of forgOT ABouT the ButTErfly FeVER
D&D are so stupid. Just went to go check their credits after Game of Thrones because legitimately haven’t heard from those two dumbasses in forever and they went from directing Game of Thrones to directing a Leslie Jones stand up special
that’s worse than being banished to the Night’s Watch This post was edited on 11/22/24 at 5:33 pm
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