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re: Dark S3 Discussion (spoilers after OP)
Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:55 pm to Civildawg
Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:55 pm to Civildawg
Claudia absolutely existed in the original world and had Regina, since neither of their existences rely on time travel (same as Egon, Doris, and Bernd). She's just not at the dinner party because she's either already died of natural causes, or she's at home watching German wheel of fortune. But there is a picture of her and Bernd and Regina.
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Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:09 pm to Civildawg
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I’m talking about the Claudia in the origin world
Okay, yeah i think you are right on this. We were lead to believe Tronte Nielsen fathered Claudia, but it was actually Bernd Doppler. Hence why Regina was at the dinner party. Jonas, Martha, Noah, Francizka, Charlotte, every one in the Nielsen line - all are gone
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:10 pm to LSUJuice
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Claudia absolutely existed in the original world and had Regina, since neither of their existences rely on time travel (same as Egon, Doris, and Bernd). She's just not at the dinner party because she's either already died of natural causes, or she's at home watching German wheel of fortune. But there is a picture of her and Bernd and Regina.
I've just spent too much time thinking about this and yes you are correct. But why did she disappear in the previous scene? She disappeared with a tear in her eye. I think it is a mind frick from the writer and director because she should not have disappeared though she time traveled extensively. In ways she is no different from Katarina or Hannah.
And on another completely unrelated note, I watched the scene where Jonas snatches alt Martha and transports her to a world. And I didn't appreciate how that affected her the first time I watched. But alt Martha had fallen for Jonas even though she killed him. And when he snatched her she could not believe/understand how he could be alive. And then he kinda coldly pushed her away. What a great scene!
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:25 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
That is a good point about Claudia. This show effs up my brain too much to where by the end I just wanted to watch and relax. It may have well been a Lindelof type ending (Lost,Leftovers) where its all open to interpretation and when you think you figured it out you find something new
ETA I looked higher after binging S3 than I do in my most recent mu..profile picture
ETA I looked higher after binging S3 than I do in my most recent mu..profile picture
This post was edited on 7/8/20 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 7/8/20 at 10:32 pm to ClampClampington
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Okay, yeah i think you are right on this. We were lead to believe Tronte Nielsen fathered Claudia, but it was actually Bernd Doppler. Hence why Regina was at the dinner party. Jonas, Martha, Noah, Francizka, Charlotte, every one in the Nielsen line - all are gone
Yeah, when you think about it it makes sense. Hannah and Katerina both died in other worlds and so did Claudia. But she does exist in the origin world just as Hannah and Katerina in the ending scene. The Katerina in Eva's world with glasses and bangs is not the Katerina at the end of S3E8 with no glasses and her hair up on her head. That is additional proof of a third origin world Katerina different from the two others. So Claudia just was not at the party. Thanks guys!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:42 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Everyone disappeared in Eva's and Adam's worlds. They just didn't show everyone disintergrating in those 2 worlds. Several of them were still alive in Adam's world (like Katherina and Peter)
Posted on 7/10/20 at 6:40 am to miab777
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Everyone disappeared in Eva's and Adam's worlds. They just didn't show everyone disintergrating in those 2 worlds. Several of them were still alive in Adam's world (like Katherina and Peter)
Not on my TV. And I'm giving up on trying to figure this out anyway because it is a TV show and I'm spent thinking about it. Baron and Jantje made this thing a mind frick on purpose. Going to watch a Scooby Doo movie.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 8:41 am to miab777
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Everyone disappeared in Eva's and Adam's worlds.
but why did they choose to only show one person that wasn't Jonas/Martha vanish? They could have not shown that and it would be an easy assumption to make, but instead they show Claudia vanish.
I still say nothing will change. All they did was end the current loop da loop of worlds that was going on, and it will eventually start over again. It's inevitable. What is to happen will always happen one way or the other. That's something that was said often.
WHat is going on at the table when the lights go out? It's likely around 1986 based on the song being played, "you spin me round". They don't just pick random songs to play, it has a meaning. 1986 is when the power plant had it's accident, and when the time machine was completed. Hannah just so happens to have deja-vu, sees the yellow raincoat, and wants to name her kid Jonas immediately following. I just can't see how everything is back to normal and it won't all happen again.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:45 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Edit: I went to look for the family tree for the end of the show and I linked it. But in the show most everyone disappears including Claudia. But at least one article stated a version of Claudia had to remain or Regina would not have been born and hence in the final, final scene. In the tree, Claudia is in all worlds so I don't understand why she disappeared into the air. And with that I really need to close down my even thinking about this show anymore.
Claudia is not the child of any traveler so she exists in the origin world. I believe the Claudia that poofed was the Claudia from Adam's world. If not then she poofed because she was on one of the two non-origin worlds (my guess is that everything in the two non-origin worlds eventually dispersed, we saw only those who were in those worlds or -in the case of Jonas and Martha- those from the non-origin worlds).
Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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It's likely around 1986
Nah. The people at the table were teenagers in 1986.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:12 am to Lou Pai
Without reading this thread past the first post, this show is absolutely incredible. I watched the first season when it dropped a few years back and just did an entire rewatch of Season 1 and ran through Season 2 and am now just starting Season 3 and I have a case of the brain scramblies. I felt I was able to keep up until episode 3 of Season 3 which is right where I’m at now and my mind is completely fried. 
I don’t want this show to end but I look forward to coming back to this thread when I’m finished.
I don’t want this show to end but I look forward to coming back to this thread when I’m finished. This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 11:13 am
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:05 pm to miab777
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Everyone disappeared in Eva's and Adam's worlds. They just didn't show everyone disintergrating in those 2 worlds. Several of them were still alive in Adam's world (like Katherina and Peter
Katarina with bangs is in Eva’s world. Katarina with straight hair no bangs is in Adam’s world. Old Ulrich is in Adam’s world. Katarina in Adam’s world was beaten to death by Helene Albers who happened to be her snotty mom.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:53 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Nah. The people at the table were teenagers in 1986.
Yeah you're probably right. The song playing is from '85-86, but watching the end again i think that was just on the show, not in the room with them playing.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:41 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Everyone disappeared in Eva's and Adam's worlds. They just didn't show everyone disintergrating in those 2 worlds. Several of them were still alive in Adam's world (like Katherina and Peter
Correction..I meant to say they were still alive in Eva's world. They died in Adam's world
Posted on 7/11/20 at 1:31 am to miab777
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Correction..I meant to say they were still alive in Eva's world. They died in Adam's world
I think at the end of the show they are gone. Nobody and nothing is left in either alternate world. Anyone who doesn't fizz away (not related to the four families) reverts to the Origin World. I'm not sure if that is what you mean. Do you think anyone survives in Eva's world? Once I finish a rewatch of S3 with my wife, I'm done with Dark for good.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:37 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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I think at the end of the show they are gone. Nobody and nothing is left in either alternate world. Anyone who doesn't fizz away (not related to the four families) reverts to the Origin World. I'm not sure if that is what you mean. Do you think anyone survives in Eva's world? Once I finish a rewatch of S3 with my wife, I'm done with Dark for good.
Yes, everyone one in both of the alternate worlds are gone. I meant that those 2 were still alive in Eva's world before being disintegrated into nonexistence. They just didn't show them being disintegrated like they showed Claudia.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 9:53 am to miab777
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Yes, everyone one in both of the alternate worlds are gone. I meant that those 2 were still alive in Eva's world before being disintegrated into nonexistence. They just didn't show them being disintegrated like they showed Claudia.
To beat this dead horse, there is an interview of Jantje and Bo and they discussed this issue. There simply was not enough time to show all characters who disappeared to fizz away. And note Claudia, Stranger Jonas and Adam and Eva fizzed away faster than Jonas and alt Martha. All others are left to our imagination.
On s completely different note, Woller said in S1 Hannah was a good looking woman and could get any man she wanted. And I agree that dark haired, brown eyed vixen was indeed pretty good looking in a forty year old sort of way. In the end Woller was rewarded for his taste in women.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 12:01 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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There simply was not enough time to show all characters who disappeared to fizz away.
That’s a stupid excuse. As if it matters if this NETFLIX show with no commercials can’t add 30 seconds to their finale.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 1:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
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TeddyPadillac
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That’s a stupid excuse. As if it matters if this NETFLIX show with no commercials can’t add 30 seconds to their finale.
Teddy, that's essentially what they said. I'm too busy to provide a link but the cerebral duo who brought you this show said they didn't have time to make an accounting of where the characters ended up. If you follow this show to any extent on Reddit, the Europeans think as a whole we in the US are stupid imbeciles. That's in part because we have to see everyone fizz out to believe it. Another suggestion would be to find the end of show family tree. That's the bible when it comes to this show.
Ok, here it is:
On the Cutting Room Floor
This post was edited on 7/12/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:43 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Did y’all see in 3.1 the twin girls from The Shining? It was when Jonas went to find Martha in the new world.
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