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re: Dark S3 Discussion (spoilers after OP)
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:27 pm to LSU Patrick
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:27 pm to LSU Patrick
I love Sci-Fi, but had a hard time getting into this. I think I got bogged down after a couple of episodes. I want to binge the whole thing. When do things really pick up in season 1?
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:44 pm to auburn32
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When do things really pick up in season 1?
lol...what do you mean "when do things pick up"? both seasons from start to finish are epic.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:47 pm to auburn32
You start getting hooked about 3 episodes in. To really enjoy it, you have to watch with subtitles and pay 100% attention to every minute. Don’t try watching it when there are distractions.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:30 pm to LSU Patrick
Yeah I'd say this show's only flaw is the confusion aspect, and you have to pay that much more attention since it's subtitled. Otherwise, if you devote your time and attention it's nearly perfect.
Spoiler:
The best part about S3 to me was just how tragic most of the OG characters' lives become, juxtaposed with how happy they seem at the dinner party at the very end. Katharina's end in 1987, holy shite. The scene with Peter and Elisabeth and the other dude. Hannah's end in 1910. Ulrich we pretty much already knew about. Really drives home how none of them belonged in that world.
What's really amazing is just how many characters the show had, and it was still able to pull off making the viewer feel for all of them.
Spoiler:
The best part about S3 to me was just how tragic most of the OG characters' lives become, juxtaposed with how happy they seem at the dinner party at the very end. Katharina's end in 1987, holy shite. The scene with Peter and Elisabeth and the other dude. Hannah's end in 1910. Ulrich we pretty much already knew about. Really drives home how none of them belonged in that world.
What's really amazing is just how many characters the show had, and it was still able to pull off making the viewer feel for all of them.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:39 pm to LSUJuice
Spoiler question..
Is Adam supposed to look extremely old from so many travels in time or are we supposed to assume something happened to him during his travesl?
I know Bartosz tells Hannah his travels have taken a toll on his appearance but not sure exactly what that meant.
Is Adam supposed to look extremely old from so many travels in time or are we supposed to assume something happened to him during his travesl?
I know Bartosz tells Hannah his travels have taken a toll on his appearance but not sure exactly what that meant.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:53 pm to AlbertMeansWell
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Spoiler question..
Is Adam supposed to look extremely old from so many travels in time or are we supposed to assume something happened to him during his travesl?
I know Bartosz tells Hannah his travels have taken a toll on his appearance but not sure exactly what that meant.
I thought they would show him getting shocked in his face or something. It didn't make sense, because their kid and Martha traveled just as much if not more.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:48 pm to Lou Pai
Just finished.
Semi-spoiler:
Still a little confused on the alternate timelines able to exist for the same character (Adam/Jonas), not totally clear on the explanation they basically gave about halfway through season 3.
Semi-spoiler:
Still a little confused on the alternate timelines able to exist for the same character (Adam/Jonas), not totally clear on the explanation they basically gave about halfway through season 3.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:38 am to AlbertMeansWell
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Spoiler question..
Is Adam supposed to look extremely old from so many travels in time or are we supposed to assume something happened to him during his travesl?
It's because he got shocked so much while testing the machine.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:16 am to AlbertMeansWell
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Is Adam supposed to look extremely old from so many travels in time or are we supposed to assume something happened to him during his travesl?
I know Bartosz tells Hannah his travels have taken a toll on his appearance but not sure exactly what that meant.
They literally show him get shocked right after that and you see how much it messed his arm up. He was determined to get that thing back working and travel through time again, and he never did, and he probably sucked it up and did what he thought was necessary to make it work, and shock burned the shite out of himself in the process, and it didn't work.
I just finished it last night. Still not sure how i feel. Definitely had some weird dreams last night.
Hannah is the definition of don't stick your dick in crazy. She scares me.
I wish i could see exactly what all the names are on the floor so i can follow the tree. I know there's some out there, but they aren't all completely accurate.
So i would assume Jonas is not a glitch based on the ending. To be quite honest, i don't think they actually did anything other than stop an event from happening that was the key to discovering the other worlds. I think the other worlds still exists, they just don't have a means to get to them, or know they exists....yet. They made it a point to continue to say that humans can accomplish anything they put their mind to (basically what was said), which is how Tannhaus created the device to time travel and I think it's inevitable he'll create it at some point. They live in their own little tri world matrix that runs on a loop, and there's nothing that can stop it. All they did was adjust the course a bit. Just like with Helge and Ulrich and Mikkel, the same thing happens to them in every world. All of the events eventually happen at some point to each character.
Why should this instance be any different? They think they fixed it, but maybe there is no way to fix it.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:45 am to Lou Pai
I thought it was good although some of the storylines seemed pretty covoluted compared to the first two seasons. I really likes the final ending.
SPOILER ALERT
It’s interesting how many characters don’t even exist in the origin world because they were only born in the parallel worlds due to paradoxes created from time travel.
SPOILER ALERT
It’s interesting how many characters don’t even exist in the origin world because they were only born in the parallel worlds due to paradoxes created from time travel.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/30/20 at 9:48 am to TeddyPadillac
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Why should this instance be any different? They think they fixed it, but maybe there is no way to fix it.
Not saying you're wrong, but Tannhaus had to go through over a decade of toiling over his failed time machine in order to bring his family back. He's not motivated to do so now. I think that was one of the main reasons they made it so taxing and time-consuming for him, to drive home the point that they were really fixing it.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 10:48 am to Lou Pai
maybe his family dies shortly after they were supposed to and he builds it again.
maybe someone else makes the time machine.
We saw and heard that everything happens over and over again. Might not be the same way, or at the same time or age, but it happens, example of Helge/Ulrich encounter.
i think a big clue to this is Torben Woller. He is the brother of the transgender thing that Peter is sitting with at the table at the end. In one world we see Torben with a patch on his eye. In another world we see him with no arm. At the end of the show he's there at the table and they ask him to finally tell him what happened to his eye, since his eye is messed up in the "original" world. They never get to answer that question, but to me it says that obviously something was destined to happen to him in every world.
Katherina wishes for a world without Winden, at the table, and they toast to that, then the lights come back on and they say "I guess Winden doesn't want to go away". Then Hannah says she always liked the name Jonas.
Just b/c we don't see Charlotte or Ulrich doesn't mean they don't exist.
They say the people at the table are those who were always supposed to be there, and weren't part of the Jonas bloodline loop or whatever you want to call it. I can get Katherina, Hannah, Peter, Torben and his transgender sibling not being a part of it, as we know their parents aren't known to be part of the loop.
Claudia vanishes at the end like she's not supposed to be there, so how was Regina born? She's at the table.
maybe someone else makes the time machine.
We saw and heard that everything happens over and over again. Might not be the same way, or at the same time or age, but it happens, example of Helge/Ulrich encounter.
i think a big clue to this is Torben Woller. He is the brother of the transgender thing that Peter is sitting with at the table at the end. In one world we see Torben with a patch on his eye. In another world we see him with no arm. At the end of the show he's there at the table and they ask him to finally tell him what happened to his eye, since his eye is messed up in the "original" world. They never get to answer that question, but to me it says that obviously something was destined to happen to him in every world.
Katherina wishes for a world without Winden, at the table, and they toast to that, then the lights come back on and they say "I guess Winden doesn't want to go away". Then Hannah says she always liked the name Jonas.
Just b/c we don't see Charlotte or Ulrich doesn't mean they don't exist.
They say the people at the table are those who were always supposed to be there, and weren't part of the Jonas bloodline loop or whatever you want to call it. I can get Katherina, Hannah, Peter, Torben and his transgender sibling not being a part of it, as we know their parents aren't known to be part of the loop.
Claudia vanishes at the end like she's not supposed to be there, so how was Regina born? She's at the table.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 11:27 am to TeddyPadillac
Well thought out.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
Not a bad premise, but my thinking is that the two mirror worlds were supposed to have echoes of the original. That said, I would say the fact that you see the two toddler versions of Jonas and Martha looking into their closets when they get to the wormhole thing could lend credence to your hypothesis. I guess though that that would mean that Hannah left Torben for Mikkel after getting impregnated by him. 
One thing I will say though, I watched a couple of interviews with the cast after, and Louis Hofmann (Jonas) seemed to suggest that that was the death/ending of Jonas. That's not to say he's right, he didn't even know the planned ending until they were about halfway through Season 3, and he made it seem like he was almost as much of a part of the audience as anyone else at times.
One thing I will say though, I watched a couple of interviews with the cast after, and Louis Hofmann (Jonas) seemed to suggest that that was the death/ending of Jonas. That's not to say he's right, he didn't even know the planned ending until they were about halfway through Season 3, and he made it seem like he was almost as much of a part of the audience as anyone else at times.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:36 pm to Lou Pai
Spoilers:
Yeah I think there are little echoes of the original world, but any characters that existed due to time travel or paradox cannot exist in the original world. That's why all the Nielsens are erased, because Bartosz had to travel for Silji to conceive Agnes. And of course Agnes had Tronte with the creepy unknown triple dude that was the "origin" and only in existence because of Jonas-Copy and Martha2 banging because of the double-secret internal loop Eva created.
The result is that the world we saw throughout the series is just completely fricked up and ends in tragedy for everyone, and rather violent deaths for those who are supposed to be in the original world. Then at the dinner party we see them all how they're "supposed" to be. Hannah and Katharina not all destroyed by Ulrich. Peter and the thing who they really are. Regina lives.
Yeah I think there are little echoes of the original world, but any characters that existed due to time travel or paradox cannot exist in the original world. That's why all the Nielsens are erased, because Bartosz had to travel for Silji to conceive Agnes. And of course Agnes had Tronte with the creepy unknown triple dude that was the "origin" and only in existence because of Jonas-Copy and Martha2 banging because of the double-secret internal loop Eva created.
The result is that the world we saw throughout the series is just completely fricked up and ends in tragedy for everyone, and rather violent deaths for those who are supposed to be in the original world. Then at the dinner party we see them all how they're "supposed" to be. Hannah and Katharina not all destroyed by Ulrich. Peter and the thing who they really are. Regina lives.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 3:10 pm to Lou Pai
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I guess though that that would mean that Hannah left Torben for Mikkel after getting impregnated by him.
Well considering she got pregnant from someone else's husband in every world, i don't think it's far fetched to assume that Mikkel wasn't actually Jonas' father. She couldn't help but want to sleep with other people's husbands.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 3:49 pm to LSUJuice
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but any characters that existed due to time travel or paradox cannot exist in the original world
so then why is Regina there at the end, or why does Claudia vanish? Claudia's parents were Egon and Doris Tiedemann. Egon was the oldest Tiedemann we knew. Regina's parents were Claudia and Bernd Doppler (guy who ran the nuclear power plant until 1986 when it had it's time machine incident). Bernd Doppler was married to Greta, not Claudia, but Claudia and Bernd had Regina, who is now really a Doppler. Peter Doppler, isn't a Doppler, as it's revealed by Greta that Helge is not Bernd's son, meaning Helge is not a Doppler, so Peter is not a Doppler.
Just seems that if Regina is there, then why would Claudia vanish like she wasn't supposed to be there?
Claudia was much like Tannhaus, in that her only motivation the entire show was to make sure Regina lived, much like Tannhaus motivation was to bring his family back. Also, Tannhaus got the blueprint to build the time machine from Claudia.
There's just a lot a strange stuff surrounding Claudia.
I think Winden is some wormhole time traveling town that you simply can't escape, as evidenced by the toast at the end to "no more Winden". I wouldn't doubt that the time travel aspect of it has something to do with the cave and simply needs a power or material event, which i would assume comes from the nuclear plant event in 1986, which is when everything always starts.
Hannah tells about her dream as being the apocalypse, and she has the deja-vu, then wants to name her son Jonas. I just can't see how anything was fixed. I think that Winden is destined to repeat itself, and someone will always have an event that makes them strive to create that time travel piece b/c of whatever is going on in that cave and in the power plant.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 4:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
Claudia vanishes because she uses the split second loophole to "copy" herself so she talk to Adam. Remember, Adam was like WTF when she appeared because she was supposed to have been killed by Noah like always, which she was. So it was her loophole copy that vanished.
So Claudia absolutely existed in the original world and had Regina, since neither of their existence relies on time travel (same as Egon, Doris, and Bernd). She's just not at the dinner party because she's either already died of natural causes, or she's at home watching German wheel of fortune.
R/dark has some really good discussion btw.
So Claudia absolutely existed in the original world and had Regina, since neither of their existence relies on time travel (same as Egon, Doris, and Bernd). She's just not at the dinner party because she's either already died of natural causes, or she's at home watching German wheel of fortune.
R/dark has some really good discussion btw.
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 4:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
With the 2 worlds no longer existing, everyone in both of them vanished. Claudia vanished in the 2 alt worlds, but she still exists (or existed) in the original world. There is a pic of her, Bnard, and Regina in the final scene. So you are correct in that she was not born from the time travel paradox, and that is why she exists in the origin world. I'm assuming that she is alive and well and just doesn't hang out with her daughter's friends and that is why they didn't show her eating dinner with them.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 4:50 pm to LSUJuice
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Claudia vanishes because she uses the split second loophole to "copy" herself so she talk to Adam. Remember, Adam was like WTF when she appeared because she was supposed to have been killed by Noah like always, which she was. So it was her loophole copy that vanished.
I don't recall that. I assumed there were two of her b/c there are two of everyone, since there's two worlds we were watching. She had a time travel piece, so i also assumed there was easily more than one of her.
I dont' know man, show is confusing as hell.
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