re: Captain America: Brave New World Discussion Thread. Spoilers! Box Office $289 mil WW

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My 'agenda' is that I prefer to watch good movies and TV shows. Ya figured it out. Congrats.

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But you’re coming up with a predetermined opinion on the movie without seeing it and search for YouTube videos that only confirm your predetermined take.

And what’s sad is that you know that’s what you’re doing but obviously won’t admit to it because it makes you look like a total loser on a message board.

Instead you have simps like MadKing who can’t muster an original thought and instead use them as confirmation that you’re right, which… ironically… also makes you look like a total loser on a message board.

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But you’re coming up with a predetermined opinion on the movie without seeing it and search for YouTube videos that only confirm your predetermined take.

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I don’t have to see it. I guess you’re too simple to grasp the concept & understanding what I’ve explained properly a dozen times already.

Seems it annoys you that anyone (smart enough) can pick up a concept from a script or plot, knowing what’s happened before, and tell if a movie or show is garbage or not.

You are like one who doesn’t understand the rules of chess, and gets frustrated that somebody can see in advance what will happen before the pieces are moved.

Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean others can’t.

I’m sure you believe that to be true.

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A lot of opinions and personal tastes being thrown around like fact in this thread.

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A lot of opinions and personal tastes being thrown around like fact in this thread.

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Apparently people are not allowed to like or dislike anything anymore - if you do, it can only be due to political reasons.

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Dude: "You know what, I could really go for some fried chicken."

Strawman: "frickin' racist conservative, co-opting black food."

Dude: "Um, okay... weird. How about that new pizza place?"

Strawman: "Bleedin' heart liberal pussy, going somewhere with a gluten free crust."

Dude: "Okay... how about you decide?"

Strawman: "Can't. My *insert political ideology here* hasn't told me what's okay to eat this week."

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Maybe - and I know this is just an ABSURD notion - maybe some people here enjoyed the movie, and some didn't, and those folks may have held these opinions without any of it having ANYTHING to do with political leaning?

Cool designs are cool. Wtf does age have to do with anything?

But thank you for making my point for me again. Whether some 50 year old guy who collected comic books 30 - 40 years ago, or a 20 something year-old chick who remembers watching The Avengers in her early teen years, there doesn’t seem to be a proper age that some on this board will accept as “ valid” in having an opinion.

Comics, comic book movies, or fandom in general allows literally anyone and everyone to be a fan.

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A lot of opinions and personal tastes being thrown around like fact in this thread.

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Fans sometimes have strong opinions. Sometimes they back them up, while others decide to simply engage in personal attacks.

I saw the movie yesterday in the theater. After reading several reviews and watching some critics who's opinions I trust, I was ready to be disappointed but stayed optimistic.

I really enjoyed the movie. I thought some of the creative decisions were just fantastic with how they handled certain characters. This was a movie that really felt like 'this happened because that happened ' rather than 'i need this to happen so it does'.

The major strike against the movie was the reshoots. They clearly looked out of place and cheap. It completely pulled me out of my immersion and I hope they fix it before the digital release.

The acting across the board for the movie was very good. As others have stated Harrison Ford and Anthony Mackie were fantastic. Falcon/Isiah Bradley/Stern were all very good as well. Only notable drop in quality was the Japanese and the head of security for the president.

Action was solid and about what I have come to expect in Marvel movies. There was only 1 point in the movie I felt the suit was too absurd and honestly he wasn't even wearing the suit for the majority of the movie.

SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT!

I thought the Leader's plan was the first one in one of these movies that wasn't hanging on so much bullshite. You could see how he set things up to work in his favor rather than just hoping things work in his favor. The closest to bullshite was why Bradley got brainwashed but it was stated that not only was the Leader monitoring them, but Bradley had also been experimented on previously. Clearly Leader based his brainwashing on what Zemo did and it isn't surprising that Bradley may have been subjected to similar treatment that Bucky was. And honestly his plan this works perfectly fine without Bradley being there. He still has people inside the President's inner circle trying to kill world leaders. In fact every time his plan hits a bump he had a clear backup to get it back on track.

Another thing that was really nice was the good guys weren't just stupid so the plot works. Wilson realizes right away there was likely brainwashing. The head of security sees it as well once they do a second of research. They also noticed how odd it was that Serpent Society was set up at the start. They just didn't connect all the dots right away. But you never feel like they dumb down anyone so the plot can work. Ross knows Bradley is innocent and should be released but also realizes what that looks like to the public and what he would have to admit if he did.

Characters in the movie had clear goals and their actions correlate with those goals. They even had some nice parallels with Sam not feeling like he can live up to Steve and the new Falcon not feeling like he can live up to Sam. It was a nice way to challenge the way the character thinks in a way that had been set up in the movie.

Overall I thought the movie was worth the watch, but I really wish they would have cleaned up the reshoots more. I'm guessing they either wanted to make sure they held onto the 4 day weekend of Presidents Day or they did not want to spend the money and further balloon the budget.

I will be watching it again when it comes to Disney+.

Rant time now. Please feel free to ignore this part as it is old man yelling at the clouds.

Captain America isn't iconic because he has the serum. It wasn't why he stood up and tightened his shield despite an entire army opposing him. The serum didn't make him lift Thor's hammer. Even if you take away all his power, Steve Rodgers shows that he would still fight with everything he had no matter what.

Superman isn't iconic because of his powers. Homelander, Omni Man, and countless others were given the exact same power set but they will never be Superman. Because at the end of the day Superman is still a small boy who grew up in Smallville, KS with Ma and Pa who taught him right from wrong and to see the good in people.

Sam Wilson is not Steve Rodgers. He never will be. But that doesn't mean he can't be Captain America. Powers or not, he does the right thing not because he's supposed to. He does it because he believes in it. His character is what defines him and this movie showcased that over and over again. So what if he had the serum? He could do slightly different fight scenes?

The serum did not make Steve Rodgers Captain America. He was already Captain America before the serum. The serum only made the body match the spirit and heart. The doctor chose him for a reason. And that reason was the same thing that helped Steve pass the shield onto Sam.

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Last thing, I fricking HATED Samuel Sterns. Not as "wow he was fantastic" but as a character and with his motives. He sucked and I couldn't take 5'5 height Tim Blake Nelson seriously in this at all.

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I do like that this finally followed up that ending of the Hulk movie way back when, but yeah as a primary villain, he was a bit underwhelming.

I know he can't play the main bad guy in every single thing he does, but Giancarlo as Sidewinder was awesome, imo. He should have had more screen time, but maybe that'll come in a future movie.

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I do like that this finally followed up that ending of the Hulk movie way back when, but yeah as a primary villain, he was a bit underwhelming.

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They honestly should have included Banner (Ruffalo) in this considering most of these characters are from his catalogue and not Cap’s tbh.