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Caddyshack plot hole question

Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:41 pm
Posted by Teufelhunden
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:41 pm
Watching now and this is silly but whatever. Before the last hole he says it's all even. The doc 2 putts, the judge 1 putts. Chevy 2 putts and Danny 1 putts. Wouldn't it be even? Does the double or nothing right before the putt negate the whole game bet? A double or nothing bet usually is made after a bet is won/lost. The game wasn't over and it ended in a tie. Great movie regardless.
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 7:46 pm to
I wondered about that also even as a kid because I used to golf. A single putt would’ve only tied. I guess there’s some off screen conversation where the understanding is that a push is a victory for Chevy and Rodney.

Did the judge make the challenge? I can’t remember. Maybe a push went to the challenged party. Either way, it’s clear that the writers hoped the audience wouldn’t think about it too much.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 8:18 pm to
They didn’t show what Judge Smails lied. He could have been putting for par.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 9:03 pm to
The match is all-square, all four players are on the green, and there’s $80,000 riding on the match. Dr. Beeper and Ty Webb each two-putt but Judge Smails knocks-in his putt, leaving Noonan needing to hole his putt to tie the match.

But that’s where it all goes off the rails.

Al Czervik, who is financing the Noonan-Webb side, turns to Judge Smails and offers a double-or-nothing bet (bringing the total to $80,000) on Noonan making his putt. Not only does he change the amount but he also changes the terms, which is significant because Czervik has already lost the previous bet all while Judge Smails still maintained his chance to win if Noonan misses.

And Smails accepts the bet anyway, like an idiot.


However...under the officials rules of golf, Noonan didn’t make that putt. The ball had clearly come to rest and was moved by an outside agency. It doesn’t matter that the explosion knocked it into the hole: The ball needs to be replaced, with no penalty, to its original location, therefore ensuring Judge Smails’ victory.

But, we all know what happens, Smails and Dr. Beeper are out $80K each on a bet they didn't even lose, and we're all gonna get laid.
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:49 am to
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Al Czervik, who is financing the Noonan-Webb side, turns to Judge Smails and offers a double-or-nothing bet (bringing the total to $80,000) on Noonan making his putt. Not only does he change the amount but he also changes the terms, which is significant because Czervik has already lost the previous bet all while Judge Smails still maintained his chance to win if Noonan misses.


Oh yeah. I’d forgotten about that. “Hey judge, double or nothing he makes it…80 grand!”

As a kid, I didn’t really understand the meaning of that as negating the entire match up to that point. And honestly, I didn’t put it together until now.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 8:30 am
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:57 am to
I’ve always had a bigger problem with Ty playing so bad in the match.
We’ve seen what he can do. He has uncashed checks all over his house from winning tournaments. Why did he choke up in this game?
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:11 am to
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I’ve always had a bigger problem with Ty playing so bad in the match.
We’ve seen what he can do. He has uncashed checks all over his house from winning tournaments. Why did he choke up in this game?

Yeah, sort of seems like he was throwing the match on purpose.

Maybe he was pissed that Danny banged Lacey after he did.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:22 am to
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we're all gonna get laid.


This is what the movie is about, details are not central to the plot. I love every minute of this movie.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19547 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:19 pm to
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He has uncashed checks all over his house from winning tournaments.


Did they say that? I thought the checks were from his business and he didn't bother to cash them because he had so much money. His concern with winning in golf can best be summed up by the Doc and Danny conversation:

What did Ty shoot this morning?

He doesn't keep score sir?

Come on, make a guess 74? 76?

More like 68 sir.
Posted by wareaglepete
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:45 pm to
The double or nothin negated the original bet. Al did it because he knew at best it would be even, or worse, he’d be out 80 grand. Just uping the stakes so there was a chance he could win, and Judge couldn’t resist.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

Watching now and this is silly but whatever. Before the last hole he says it's all even. The doc 2 putts, the judge 1 putts. Chevy 2 putts and Danny 1 putts. Wouldn't it be even? Does the double or nothing right before the putt negate the whole game bet? A double or nothing bet usually is made after a bet is won/lost. The game wasn't over and it ended in a tie. Great movie regardless.


this is the way i understood things

yes they were tied, but the bet was judge beats them so a tie goes against the judge andhe loses.

next the double or nothing bet was on that one put only and i take that to mean it replaced the original bet.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

I’ve always had a bigger problem with Ty playing so bad in the match.


he said he cant play for money because its different

not sure why but he said he can play as long as there is nothing to lose but if he bets he folds under the stress.

i think it was a poorly thought out and lazy writing, but they had other things they were more concerned with.
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
8649 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:01 pm to
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he said he can play as long as there is nothing to lose but if he bets he folds under the stress.

That how I always understood it.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
74193 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:16 pm to
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but they had other things they were more concerned with.


heaps and heaps of blow
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
10943 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 1:42 pm to

I’ve always had a bigger problem with Ty playing so bad in the match.
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Didn’t he shut the car door on his hand when arriving to play ?
“I didn’t do that, didn’t do that “ as he’s jumping around
Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Between Your Ears
Member since Aug 2005
3719 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:52 pm to
It was basically a Hammer bet on the one putt with nothing else mattering from the rest of the round.

Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:37 pm to
there are no plot holes in caddyshack
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6122 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:10 pm to
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Poorly thought out and lazy writing…


Almost the entire cocaine and weed fueled production was extemporaneous. And, hilarious.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
30687 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 1:10 am to
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Does the double or nothing right before the putt negate the whole game bet?

Yes. Al got the Judge to agree to double or nothing if Danny made the putt. Nothing else matters at that point.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5899 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:05 am to
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there are no plot holes in caddyshack


Considering the protagonist is a fricking dancing gopher, maybe you're right.
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