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re: Braveheart: Longshanks throwing the aide out the window
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:34 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:34 am to wildtigercat93
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I think the movie implies they secret marriage was because of her disapproving parents
It was because of prima nocte
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:39 am to jchamil
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It was because of prima nocte
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:44 am to burger bearcat
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Is it assumed that the Phillip guy, was being gay with the effeminate soy prince.
Goddamn dude. Yes of course.
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Longshanks realized if the Scots found out about the prince's lifestyle, they would sack York in a day.
This part, I’m not sure about. Longshanks did not ask for or welcome Philip’s military counsel. And I’d say Longshanks also didn’t appreciate his son being gay and having the gay lover hanging around.
There is some historical evidence that Edward II might be gay. He had male favorites.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:50 am to wildtigercat93
Other issues...
Kilts were not a think in Scotland for a few more centuries
Scots did not paint their faces blue at that time. It was another sect called the Piques, and was several centuries earlier when they did it.
Also, the French princess that Sophie Marceau portrays would have been around five years old at the time.
There was never such a thing a Prima Nocta as depicted in the movie.
Finally, the movie depicts the Battle of Stirling Bridge, but eliminates the bridge and the entire strategic advantage the Scots had because of it.
Kilts were not a think in Scotland for a few more centuries
Scots did not paint their faces blue at that time. It was another sect called the Piques, and was several centuries earlier when they did it.
Also, the French princess that Sophie Marceau portrays would have been around five years old at the time.
There was never such a thing a Prima Nocta as depicted in the movie.
Finally, the movie depicts the Battle of Stirling Bridge, but eliminates the bridge and the entire strategic advantage the Scots had because of it.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:59 am to jchamil
Hmm guess I just missed it, I was kind of using it as background noise so not shocked
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:03 pm to burger bearcat
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I just re-watched it for the first time in about 10 years.
if you didnt see they were gay butt buddies within the first 3 seconds they you are gay and clueless as well to think they were normal
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:04 pm to Tigeralum2008
The Almighty says “Stop changing the subject and answer the frickin’ question!”
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:08 pm to burger bearcat
Edward the First is an interesting, if detested in Scotland, historical figure.
He put down a major revolt against his father, led the last semi-successful Crusade in the Holy Lands (he had to withdraw due to his father's decline in health), conquered Wales, reformed England's legal system, and was well on his way to finishing off Scotland before his own health began to decline.
He was also a real hard arse who held grudges till they died of old age and expelled the Jews from England so he could confiscate their wealth. He was not a happy go lucky person, just very good at his job.
The movie obviously takes its liberties (Isabella was 7 at the time all of this happened so if William Wallace really did sleep with her... ewww) but the one thing we know for certain... William Wallace wanted nothing to do with facing an English army personally lead by Edward I.
Unfortunately for him Edward finally chased him down and effectively destroyed the Scottish army. Wallace bravely turned his tail and fled but would be captured and put to death in a rather gruesome manner. Edward I was not a pleasant person to cross.
His son, Edward II, was about as useless as teats on a boar hog and quite possibly had multiple gay affairs. Edward I must have known about this but never murdered any of his son's gay lovers because, well, they would have been noblemen and it would have created a fuss.
Being gay was highly frowned upon back then, but it wasn't unheard of. Richard the Lionhearted was widely rumored to be fond of buggery for example and no one denies that he was an extremely effective military commander. The drizzling shits as ruler mind you, but hell on wheels on the battlefield.
He put down a major revolt against his father, led the last semi-successful Crusade in the Holy Lands (he had to withdraw due to his father's decline in health), conquered Wales, reformed England's legal system, and was well on his way to finishing off Scotland before his own health began to decline.
He was also a real hard arse who held grudges till they died of old age and expelled the Jews from England so he could confiscate their wealth. He was not a happy go lucky person, just very good at his job.
The movie obviously takes its liberties (Isabella was 7 at the time all of this happened so if William Wallace really did sleep with her... ewww) but the one thing we know for certain... William Wallace wanted nothing to do with facing an English army personally lead by Edward I.
Unfortunately for him Edward finally chased him down and effectively destroyed the Scottish army. Wallace bravely turned his tail and fled but would be captured and put to death in a rather gruesome manner. Edward I was not a pleasant person to cross.
His son, Edward II, was about as useless as teats on a boar hog and quite possibly had multiple gay affairs. Edward I must have known about this but never murdered any of his son's gay lovers because, well, they would have been noblemen and it would have created a fuss.
Being gay was highly frowned upon back then, but it wasn't unheard of. Richard the Lionhearted was widely rumored to be fond of buggery for example and no one denies that he was an extremely effective military commander. The drizzling shits as ruler mind you, but hell on wheels on the battlefield.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:13 pm to Ham Solo
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Op just likes watching gay people fly. Kind of odd, but who am I to judge?
He could visit the middle east to see more of this.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:28 pm to burger bearcat
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Is it assumed
No, it's pretty well spelled out clear as night and day.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:32 pm to burger bearcat
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I never connected the dots that they were both buddies like that
From your post history I had no idea that you lived in a bubble.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:45 pm to burger bearcat
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I just re-watched it for the first time in about 10 years. I never connected the dots that they were both buddies like that
And just how old were you when you first watched it-----8 or so to not realize they were butt buddies?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 12:49 pm to burger bearcat
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I just re-watched it for the first time in about 10 years. I never connected the dots that they were both buddies like that and that's why the King gave him the heave hoe. I thought he was just doing it because he was a d*ck. Makes sense now.
Man, I made that connection immediately watching as a 13 year old in 1995.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:13 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Finally, the movie depicts the Battle of Stirling Bridge, but eliminates the bridge and the entire strategic advantage the Scots had because of it.
Historically wasn't it more like the massacre at Sterling bridge? Been a long time but I vaguely remember something about tons of Brits basically drowning in the mud.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:04 pm to NIH
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It’s crazy to me that Longshanks wasn’t portrayed as the LGBT ally that he actually was
It was critical to the movie that he be the villain in every way possible, when in fact he was super complicated. He was terrible to the Scottish and Welsh people, and expelled Jews from England (which lasted for centuries until overturned by Cromwell). He also established Parliament, which eventually led to a lot of the things both the UK and US governments utilize today.
I mean, William Wallace wasn't some poor farmer who decided to fight because a local noble decided to bone his wife using some ancient tradition. Dude was a fricking noble - wore armor, carried a shield and sword into battle, etc.
Braveheart is a great movie, but using it as an historical reference is like watching 300 and then saying, "Man, wars back then were crazy!"
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:28 pm to skrayper
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Braveheart is a great movie, but using it as an historical reference is like watching 300 and then saying, "Man, wars back then were crazy!"
I don't think Mel ever intended for Braveheart to be a historical depiction. He just wanted to make a badass movie about freedom from Tyrants, using a historical setting as the backdrop. Similar to the Patriot. Still a great movie, and apparently I'm an idiot for not noticing the gay stuff originally.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:32 pm to Salmon
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are you serious? it wasn't even subtle
Cut him some slack. He is more woke now to blatant homophobia than a decade a ago. It’s growth.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:47 pm to Huey Lewis
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Historically wasn't it more like the massacre at Sterling bridge? Been a long time but I vaguely remember something about tons of Brits basically drowning in the mud.
Yes. The other aspect was that the entire British force could not cross at once. The Scots used the bridge to cut-off the British from reinforcements, dealt with those that had been let across, rinsed, and repeated.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:05 pm to burger bearcat
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I never connected the dots
Were you 5 the first time you saw it? It was pretty obvious. Probably my favorite part of the movie. It was hilarious when they soy boy took flight.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 3:06 pm to burger bearcat
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Still a great movie, and apparently I'm an idiot for not noticing the gay stuff originally.
I wouldn't call you an idiot, if you were younger then there's not exactly a reason to think that. It's more apparent after Longshanks refers to his son as "gentle" - not a compliment from a warrior like Longshanks.
I mean, it's not like they were making out or anything.
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