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re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Tomato watch 29%
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:05 am to BilJ
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:05 am to BilJ
Jeremy Jahns and Stuckman are probably the two most relatable and reasonable online movie critics out there right now. Both pretty much are saying that the Batman parts are good but the rest of the movie is a mess.
BvS is still going to make a shite ton of movies. Make no mistake about that. The question is will this dull excitement for future DCCU properties not named Batman or Superman?
Are people still excited for an Aquaman movie or a Green Lantern reboot? Were they in the first place?
BvS is still going to make a shite ton of movies. Make no mistake about that. The question is will this dull excitement for future DCCU properties not named Batman or Superman?
Are people still excited for an Aquaman movie or a Green Lantern reboot? Were they in the first place?
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Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:05 am to RLDSC FAN
guardians and cap 2 were great, but thor 2, iron man 3, and avengers 2 were pretty mediocre.
i will still see this movie and probably like it because i am a huge batman fan (i am one of the few defenders of dark knight rises). but when i hear someone like jett from BOF seem pretty lukewarm on it it is concerning.
i will still see this movie and probably like it because i am a huge batman fan (i am one of the few defenders of dark knight rises). but when i hear someone like jett from BOF seem pretty lukewarm on it it is concerning.
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:10 am to Tactical1
Meh. It will still sell enough tickets for DC's master plan to move forward
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:10 am to 1999
I"m just not a fan of these "shared" universes. Just make a good movie and stop worrying about setting something else up. IM 2 and Age of Ultron (and apparently BvS) suffered greatly because of it.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:11 am to xenythx
Even Angry Joe is backing off of his original enthusiasm a little.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:16 am to 1999
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guardians and cap 2 were great, but thor 2, iron man 3, and avengers 2 were pretty mediocre. i will still see this movie and probably like it because i am a huge batman fan (i am one of the few defenders of dark knight rises). but when i hear someone like jett from BOF seem pretty lukewarm on it it is concerning.
I kind of break down the Marvel movies into 4 categories. Great, good, ok, and dull. Non-rewatchable films but good if you only watch once go into ok. Dull is, I have tried multiple times to watch and have fallen asleep because it is not entertaining. *only movies by Marvel Studios
Great: Winter Soldier, Ironman
Good: Ironman 3, Gardians of the Galaxy
Ok: Avengers, Ant Man, Incredible Hulk
Dull: Captain America 1, both Thors, Avengers 2, Ironman 2 (one of the worst movies I've ever seen)
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:18 am to RLDSC FAN
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I"m just not a fan of these "shared" universes. Just make a good movie and stop worrying about setting something else up. IM 2 and Age of Ultron (and apparently BvS) suffered greatly because of it.
That is exactly what I am saying. Couldn't agree more.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:18 am to BilJ
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from some of the reviews I have read, there does seem to be a certain segment of them that seem hell bent on trying to be behind the movement that stops the comic book film craze
No doubt, and it's why I don't get the whole Marvel v DC nonsense talk from fanboys. If you're a fan of comic books, you should want all of these films to be successful. Because there is a ton of people out there that want these films to go away.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:19 am to Tactical1
Holy shite.
Wow......40%!
Wow......40%!
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:19 am to lsutigertalk
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Nothing wrong with comic book films as long as they are good. A decent bit of Marvel's films just aren't entertaining or re-watchable. To me if a movie isn't re-watchable it hurts how good I perceive it to be, and Marvel movies like the Avengers are not enjoyable on 2nd and 3rd watches.
To you, though. Box Office, Critical Reception, and lasting strength say otherwise. There's a reason at one point FX was the Iron Man Channel. They'd play an Iron Man movie every single day. And they aren't doing that because people AREN'T rewatching it.
And they are good movies, mostly above average in relation to other films of the same genre. There are plenty of flaws, but when critics, fans, and box office all generally agree, that does say something.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:22 am to RLDSC FAN
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No doubt, and it's why I don't get the whole Marvel v DC nonsense talk from fanboys. If you're a fan of comic books, you should want all of these films to be successful. Because there is a ton of people out there that want these films to go away.
Just ignore those people as they have no idea what they are talking about and they extremely hypocritical. I'm sure they just want more "Cop dramas!", because we know we don't have enough of those.
The genre will only be successful as long is it pleases crowds and makes money. Snyder's film will make money, but will it please the crowds? That's the problem, so yes we all want the genre to succeed, but if Snyder isn't cutting it.....
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:23 am to RLDSC FAN
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No doubt, and it's why I don't get the whole Marvel v DC nonsense talk from fanboys. If you're a fan of comic books, you should want all of these films to be successful. Because there is a ton of people out there that want these films to go away.
Yeah, I just find the whole "Marvel" vs "DC" argument to be total nonsense. If I had to take a guess, before Iron Man the only Marvel heroes that the public at large knew a lot about were Spider Man and X-Men. DC though I bet most people could tell you at least 5 members of it. Avengers, people would probably guess the Fantastic 4, Captain America, and Spider Man. I just don't think that aside from the most hardcore fanboys, no one gives a damn about the whole Marvel vs DC.
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:24 am to Freauxzen
The problem is that the genre isn't a strong one. I know you disagree but sci fi, fantasy & adventure movies are no longer treated with care (that's a general statement)
im ready for these movies to be treated like dawn of the planet of the apes. When you narrow the field even more to only superhero movies, you have only one GREAT film and that's the dark knight
im ready for these movies to be treated like dawn of the planet of the apes. When you narrow the field even more to only superhero movies, you have only one GREAT film and that's the dark knight
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:25 am to Freauxzen
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To you, though. Box Office, Critical Reception, and lasting strength say otherwise. There's a reason at one point FX was the Iron Man Channel. They'd play an Iron Man movie every single day. And they aren't doing that because people AREN'T rewatching it. And they are good movies, mostly above average in relation to other films of the same genre. There are plenty of flaws, but when critics, fans, and box office all generally agree, that does say something.
I'm not going to sit here and argue about Marvel, because honestly that isn't my intention. I enjoy some of the Marvel films and may even spend money to see Civil War after how great Winter Solider was. I am a DC guy and refuse to spend cash to see BvS even before these reviews.
It truly is all about preference and taste. There is chocolate and vanilla ice cream for a reason. I am very critical of movies as it is, but when it comes to Batman I am especially critical. As I said earlier, I rather rewatch the animated Batman series for the billionth time for free than pay to see this BvS garbage. Better yet, just pay and watch The Dark Knight Returns. It is better plus it follows the comics perfectly.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:26 am to lsutigertalk
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The Dark Knight is the last one I can remember that if I had to watch it 3 times in a day, I could manage. It needs to be about quality instead of quantity.
I agree with your overall point that a lot of the Marvel movies aren't as entertaining on a 2nd or 3rd watch, but I have to disagree on the Dark Knight. I enjoyed that movie in theaters but I don't think I've seen it since and have zero desire to ever watch it again.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:28 am to lsutigertalk
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I am very critical of movies as it is, but when it comes to Batman I am especially critical
Same here, he's always been my favorite character (along with the Xmen) If Snyder messes this up...
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:31 am to JasonMason
I said I am a DC fan a few posts back, but that is a lie. I am a Batman fan period. That is why I can sit there and rewatch his films. Like I also said a few posts back, it really is just about preference. I am not here to argue preference. More just hoping people don't waste their money on this abomination purely because it says BATMAN on it, which is exactly why people will hand over hard earned money for what I expect to be a half baked movie.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:32 am to DelU249
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The problem is that the genre isn't a strong one. I know you disagree
I agree and disagree because I feel superheroes have taken the place of more classic action heroes post-9/11. Go back to all that "Real American Hero," nonsense that happened.
I'd rather classic action heroes make a comeback, I think that's what's keeping superhero films pigeoned-holed into checking a ton of boxes, rather than being a fully fleshed out genre.
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I know you disagree but sci fi, fantasy & adventure movies are no longer treated with care (that's a general statement)
Combine the above, the fall of the classic action movie, with the rise of LOTR/Harry Potter/Hunger Games. That's where the issues started. LOTR and Potter were handled with great care (a few missteps here and there for sure-and I'm not counting the Hobbit), but it's fallen off since then as they've chased that market - tweens and teens.
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im ready for these movies to be treated like dawn of the planet of the apes. When you narrow the field even more to only superhero movies, you have only one GREAT film and that's the dark knight
I'd argue Winter Soldier as well. Maybe it isn't as layered, but it's as high quality. And to say that every comic book film should look to The Dark Knight is DC's exact problem, and would only lead us down the path of people mistreating characters. Not every character is like Batman. There's a reason Captain America: The First Avenger is a misunderstood film. I'd argue that there are maybe 4 perfect Superhero films: Superman, Spider-Man 2, Captain America: TFA, Batman. Those films get the characters. They encompass not only a good DNA of the history of those characters, but they give us great stories that do well on film and show us the very essence of what makes them tick.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:34 am to RLDSC FAN
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Same here, he's always been my favorite character (along with the Xmen) If Snyder messes this up...
Expect it to be the worst thing you have ever seen and maybe it won't be so bad. That would be for easy for me since I have felt this way since Jessie Eisenberg was cast. If you have been amped up till this point, just try to temper the expectations as much as you can and wait for it to come to dvd.
Posted on 3/23/16 at 9:38 am to lsutigertalk
IF......DC considers making a change, I think they will look very hard at the Suicide Squad reception. Both critical and fan base. I have no idea how good that movie is, but I know the buzz is good. If it does well critically, is David Ayer right for the JL job?
This post was edited on 3/23/16 at 9:39 am
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