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re: Apocalypto - Now streaming on Amazon Prime

Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:30 pm to
Thanks for the heads up OP

Been trying to add this movie to my digital library for months.

I went ahead bought it despite being featured on prime so it doesn't disappear on me again.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:16 pm to
Ending was dumb. She gives birth as she is drowning? Really
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:24 pm to
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Funny, I’ve seen this dozens of times on cable movie networks.



Used to be on AMC a couple times a day.
Posted by chinese58
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:47 pm to
I missed it at the theater and have never seen it without commercials. It's a really long watch with them, but I've sat through it multiple times.


Thanks for the heads up. may watch tonight.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 6:29 pm to
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 6:43 pm to
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Love this movie


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i dont understand why it doesn't have more popularity



Great movie and not to take anything away from it but the historical account of events and the action that takes place is very far from what actually occurred.

Before I start, once again I love the movie as entertainment, but as a parent I wouldn't let a child write a research paper on it

History Buffs have a hard time praising the movie based on that alone. Scenes with the diseased for example, how the hell can the little girl and her mom have smallpox when the Spanish haven't arrived yet? The Maya and Spanish didn't have contact until 1511. First contact between natives and Europeans was in 1492. Most of the people who died of smallpox never saw a white man.

Why dub animal sounds? Why have a real tapier but dub it with a pig sound?

the primitive villages that had a severe lack of Mayan agricultural techniques. The Mayans were more agricultural and less hunter-gatherer. The land would be cleared of dense jungle and Mayan women would have been dressed modestly.

The 2nd biggest inaccuracy is actually some of the movie's best scenes. The human sacrifices. Way too many are being sacrificed. He is copying it from the Aztecs, who actually did.
Mayans would not have performed the sacrifice by removing the human heart until the classic period because they hadn't been influenced by the Aztecs yet as they didn't exist as a culture at the time period of the movie. They did perform bloodletting where they pierced their tongue and dripped on paper-like material and then burned, In the classic period the most common way for human sacrifice was decapitation, projectiles hurled or shot, or throw them down pits or sinkholes.


While several of his movies aren't the best for historical accuracy ie Braveheart and the Patriot, he didn't write either. He did, however, Cowrite Apocalypto.

That said, the wooden weapons fixed with obsidian, jade jewelry, and piercings are spot on. Makeup and especially knowing of the solar eclipse are also spot-on as the Mayans were exceptionally gifted in astronomy. You can see this when the priest and the King gave a sly look at each other right as the eclipse happens.


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The ending scene of him looking out at the ship made me want MOREEEE



A perfect example of the biggest historical inaccuracy. The Spanish landed in 1511.

The Classic Mayan collapse happened in the year 900, which is what the movie is based on, and at the time Spain was part of an Islamic Caliphate. It didn't even exist as a country.

So unless Jaguar paw or the Conquistadors are time travelers it's complete and utter fiction.

What Mel Gibson did was he fused the Mayan and Aztec civilizations, time periods, and collapses.

600 years is a bit of a leap in the time line don't you think?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 6:46 pm
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 6:44 pm to
So he’s an anti Semite because he made Passion of the Christ?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:01 pm to
the issue as i discussed earlier, is that it's set in the post classical era which fits every parameter you have issues with

disease and famine are issues in any era and there is nothing that requires it be limited to the fall around 900

every issue with your timeline is basically solved by moving it to the post-classical era
Posted by FlappingPierre
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:22 pm to
Just watched for first time. Great movie
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:33 pm to
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every issue with your timeline is basically solved by moving it to the post-classical era



Not at all.

No smallpox prior to the Europeans yet we see clear signs of what only could be smallpox famine across the village they come across.

The Mayan collapse was 900.

The environmental conditions of the famine shown were not around when the conquistadors arrived in 15111. That was the classical era, not post-classical.

Had Mel Gibson used the Aztecs instead of the Mayan's all issues would have been solved. The Aztecs sacrificed close to 20K a year. The Mayans didn't do near those numbers even after the Aztecs influenced them.

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every issue with your timeline is basically solved by moving it to the post-classic era



except for the historical inaccuracy, sure.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 7:34 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:23 pm to


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No smallpox prior to the Europeans yet we see clear signs of what only could be smallpox f

you're inventing this to fit your narrative/argument

disease, obviously, did happen to the Maya. there is no reason this has to be limited to smallpox

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famine across the village they come across.

famine, like disease, has existed in every area at all times

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Had Mel Gibson used the Aztecs instead of the Mayan's all issues would have been solved. The Aztecs sacrificed close to 20K a year. The Mayans didn't do near those numbers even after the Aztecs influenced them.

the aztecs did influence the Mayans in the post classical period, so that all fits.

there was disease in the post classical period

there was famine in the post classical period

in the post classical period, Mayan decline over 600 years reached the point where it's not automatic that jungle hunter-gatherers had made contact with them

the Mayan cultures adopted Azetec-like behaviors in the post classical period

Europeans made contact with the Maya in the post classical period

all of that fits in the post classical period. were some small liberties taken with the city? sure, but that's why it's a movie. same with the language overlapping
Posted by Cousin Key
Member since Dec 2017
995 posts
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:02 pm to
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I tried to watch it the other day and for some reason the captions were way off from the dialogue. Made it unwatchable, I'll have to give it another try, I thought it was an Amazon problem but sounds like it was a problem on my end.


Wasn't you. It was an Amazon problem. I've been trying to watch this movie for a while based on the board's recommendation in another thread.

The subtitles showed up on screen probably 10 seconds after the actual audio. Made it impossible to tell who said what, so I gave up on it. Amazon pulled the movie and added it back a day or so later. Still had the same problem.

I thought it was a problem with my connection too at first. I reset my Fire Stick like 3 times, but it never fixed the delay. Everything is good now.

Just finished watching it for the first time. Really good movie. Like someone mentioned earlier, I think it would've been even more incredible watching it in theater.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103801 posts
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:53 pm to
The US region Blu Ray exists because I own a copy of it.

Doesn’t mean that it has been in print for quite a long time, as I think I have had it since I started getting into Blu-Rays right after I got my PS3.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:09 am to
Agree on all counts.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 1:10 am to
Nice
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39386 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:42 am to
Love the movie but also love History Buffs evisceration of it on YouTube.

The movie wants to exist in two different time spheres.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11815 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:56 am to
Watched because of this thread. I really enjoyed it. I started it late thinking I would just watch half then go to bed. Wrong.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:16 am to
Love the movie. Here's another watch you should check out.

Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77860 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:26 am to
I saw that movie on TV when I was like 10. I liked it even at that age.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 11:35 am
Posted by prplngldtigr
just up da bayou from down
Member since Dec 2004
8173 posts
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:27 am to
a top 5 movie for me.

LOVE this movie...and even though there are subtitles, you don't need it to truly get every scene for what its worth.

amazing accomplishment by Gibson.
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