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Anyone who says Cheers got worse once Diane left is an idiot
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:04 pm
Finished Season 9 last night.
Rebecca Howe Cheers >>>>>> Diane Chambers Cheers. Last 4 seasons have been excellent
Diane's character was annoying. Once she left I feel like the whole ensemble cast all got to flesh themselves out instead of most episodes revolving around annoying SJW Diane and her attempts to cut Sam's balls off.
Sam is a much better character minus Diane.
Plus we get to see more Lilith and Frasier who are an awesome couple from a TV standpoint. I love all their scenes.
Woody is always great too.
I like Rebecca's aloofness and her relationship with Robin. She doesn't act like she is a perfect flawless woman like Diane did. She admits her faults and is OK with it anyway.
Rebecca Howe Cheers >>>>>> Diane Chambers Cheers. Last 4 seasons have been excellent
Diane's character was annoying. Once she left I feel like the whole ensemble cast all got to flesh themselves out instead of most episodes revolving around annoying SJW Diane and her attempts to cut Sam's balls off.
Sam is a much better character minus Diane.
Plus we get to see more Lilith and Frasier who are an awesome couple from a TV standpoint. I love all their scenes.
Woody is always great too.
I like Rebecca's aloofness and her relationship with Robin. She doesn't act like she is a perfect flawless woman like Diane did. She admits her faults and is OK with it anyway.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:09 pm to goldennugget
The show changed and folks don't like change. Personally, I liked Diane's dynamic with the other bar patrons and her dueling with Carla was great. Long also did a fantastic job with the character.
On the other hand, though, folks who hate on Alley's Rebecca are misguided. While I, personally, think the writing got a little worn out (and that was happening before the cast change) - it did open up some new possibilities - the Sam/Diane story going away let the other characters have more breathing room. In particular the growth of Frasier and Woody during the Rebecca seasons.
Obviously, most folks will like and gravitate to Rebecca (as opposed to Diane who was pretentious and relatively unlovable), but there was less conflict, so they had to externalize conflict more and more during the final seasons.
And I say this as someone who thought Cheers was the finest comedy on the air during that run - and Fraiser Crane was my favorite character on television from the time he showed up at Cheers until Newsradio started (then it was close between Frasier and Hartman's Bill McNeal).
On the other hand, though, folks who hate on Alley's Rebecca are misguided. While I, personally, think the writing got a little worn out (and that was happening before the cast change) - it did open up some new possibilities - the Sam/Diane story going away let the other characters have more breathing room. In particular the growth of Frasier and Woody during the Rebecca seasons.
Obviously, most folks will like and gravitate to Rebecca (as opposed to Diane who was pretentious and relatively unlovable), but there was less conflict, so they had to externalize conflict more and more during the final seasons.
And I say this as someone who thought Cheers was the finest comedy on the air during that run - and Fraiser Crane was my favorite character on television from the time he showed up at Cheers until Newsradio started (then it was close between Frasier and Hartman's Bill McNeal).
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:19 pm to goldennugget
I hated what they did to Sam after Diane left and Rebecca came in. I did like seeing more stories involving the other characters such as Woody, Norm, Frasier, and Norm.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:46 pm to goldennugget
I like Frasier better, but I still don't understand how his character changed so much outside of Boston being a social experiment.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:39 pm to goldennugget
I preferred the show while Diane was a part of the cast, but I still enjoyed it afterwards.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:53 pm to goldennugget
I rewatched Cheers a couple of years ago and really discovered how funny Ted Danson was on the show.
He's also great on Curb.
He's also great on Curb.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:55 pm to goldennugget
I loved both Diane and Rebecca episodes!
Fraiser was my favorite character, and the show Fraiser is still my favorite show.
Fraiser was my favorite character, and the show Fraiser is still my favorite show.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:09 pm to goldennugget
If Diane would have stayed she would be Deborah Romano annoying!
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:11 pm to goldennugget
I slightly preferred Diane. Coach was my favorite character.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:13 pm to LSUlefty
I liked Coach as well.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:34 pm to goldennugget
quote:Maybe you aren't smart enough to know it got worse. Cheers Season 5 is one of the best seasons for any show ever.
Anyone who says Cheers got worse once Diane left is an idiot
Shelly is 10x better actress than Kirstie Alley.
quote:There has never been any other major character who was as annoying and whiny as Rebecca Howe.
Diane's character was annoying.
my job is beneath me :wah: I wanna be a gold digger :wah: :wah:Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:46 pm to airfernando
Diane was a whiney gold digger as well. I give Rebecca the edge due to hotness. She was sexy back then.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 9:51 pm to Buck Magnum
Nah, Diane was a pretentious snob. Rebecca's stated goal was to only date men who could advance her career.
And FTR, Diane >>>>>>>>>> Rebecca.
And FTR, Diane >>>>>>>>>> Rebecca.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:05 pm to lsufan9193969700
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Fraiser was my favorite character, and the show Fraiser is still my favorite show.
Fraiser is easily the best character
My favorite Frasier scenes are when the other characters are up to shenanigans and he acts like he is above whatever they are doing, but then finds a way to justify himself getting in on the action anyway
The karoeke machine episodes may have been my favorite Frasier moment so far. I was rolling when Norm and Cliff started singing Lollipop for the 2nd time and Frasier went over there to lose his shite at them
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:12 pm to goldennugget
quote:
Rebecca Howe Cheers >>>>>> Diane Chambers Cheers
quote:
Sam is a much better character minus Diane.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 10:18 pm to tigermeat
Oh, I don't think he's lying about what he believes. It's just that he's
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:39 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
No, in the pilot Diane was running off with her boss. She ended up waitressing at Cheers ecause the boss left and she was destitute. She is like an OT baller on here. She is not as good as she thinks she is.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:00 am to Buck Magnum
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No, in the pilot Diane was running off with her boss. She ended up waitressing at Cheers ecause the boss left and she was destitute.
Sumner Sloan was her professor, and I think she was his assistant at the time he dumped her. I don't think there's any reason to believe she pursued him like Rebecca did Drake and Colcord. Diane also fell for her shrink, Frasier. She seems prone to falling for men who hold a position of power over her. There was also Sam's brother, but he could sweep any woman off her feet.
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She is not as good as she thinks she is.
Right, she's a pretentious snob, like I said. She's not a golddigger like Rebecca, who knows she's a loser and sees a successful man as her way out of it. Diane was far too in love with herself to ever see herself clearly.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:13 am to Ace Midnight
Sam was dumbed down quite a bit after Diane left. I always hated that.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:49 am to goldennugget
This might sound weird, but rewatching Cheers seems depressing to me. It originally aired when I was a kid, and my parents would laugh at the jokes but I was too young to understand them. The show, the bar, and especially the opening song with the piano remind me of laying in bed with my parents, not comprehending the show but happy that my parents were happy.
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