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re: Amazon put out a "superfans" video about LOTR: Rings of Power

Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:38 pm to
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1. LOTR isn’t set in turn of the century Europe. It’s just not the setting. Clearly WWI was an influence of Tolkien, but he didn’t write a realistic fiction novel.


Thematically it is, and a lot of what Tolkien writes is his fears of the current (at his time) trajectory of society.

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2. Horror of war happen to people at war of all colors. These themes are actually universal and the fact that a show influenced by a WWII era war in Asia and WWi in Europe have the same theme shows that in fact war doesn’t care what race you are. It’s horrible.


No. Both series are very specific and not universal in the inspiration for the events that inspired them. You can’t just substitute Tibetan genocide that inspired Avatar with the Holocaust in Europe just because they were both genocides. They are specifically based and to remove them from those settings or to add people from different settings into them perverts the source material and what the creators were going for.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:39 pm to
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Either explain how it works or GTFO.


Stop shoveling. You're only making the hole deeper.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:44 pm to
I dont Think you know.

Your just talking shite.

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:46 pm to
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I dont Think you know.

Your just talking shite.


No retort to mine?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:48 pm to
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I dont Think you know.

Your just talking shite.


How many times have YOU read the Silmarillion?

I'll go first. At least 4 for me.

Your turn.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:51 pm to
Inspiration ISNT setting.

Tolkien removed his work from the SETTING of WWI by putting it in Middle Earth.

WWI influenced his writing but didn’t dictate what happened. WWI didn’t end when a short guy threw a ring into a mountain.

And you’re literally making an argument that black people ruin a WWI setting in a world we’re mythical races exist.

There weren’t any dwarves or elves in Middle earth.

It’s not a scene by scene remake of WWI.

And if it was it’s not set in WWI.
Mothered is no denying the influence. But saying they’re set in those worlds is wrong.

So the counter argument is:

If you can’t accept black people because they weren’t present in Europe during WWI (which isn’t actually true but whatever) how do you accept Elves and Dwarves and Hobbits and Magic?
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 9:58 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:53 pm to
And the question.

Why are you dodging the question.

You say you’ve read it 4 times but you having actually said anything that makes me believe you.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 9:55 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:56 pm to
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Inspiration ISNT setting.


Yes it is. This is bullshite Shyamalan said when he made that abomination of a film in 2010.

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Tolkien removed his work from the SETTING of WWI by putting it in Middle Earth.


Which is a prehistoric Europe, dumbass.

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WWI influenced his writing but didn’t dictate what happened. WWI didn’t end when a short guy threw a ring into a mountain.


So unless it identically didn’t happen, then you should be able to add anything you want even if it’s against the creators intention and universe.

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And you’re literally making an argument that black people ruin a WWI setting in a world we’re mythical races exist.




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There weren’t any dwarves or elves in Middle earth.

It’s not a scene by scene remake of WWI.

And if it was it’s not set in WWI.


Man, you are really, really stupid. My points over your head completely. Take your loss, dude. I’ll beat your feeble mind again. You’ve lost the argument.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:57 pm to


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Why are you dodging the question.


Because it's irrelevant. It makes no sense. You're displaying a lack of understanding of WHO the Elves are, and where they came, and are instead just interjecting meaningless hypotheticals which display a disconnect from the story.

This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 9:59 pm
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:58 pm to
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in a world we’re mythical races exist.


In specific and established ways.

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 9:59 pm to
While he can Google it and I don’t believe him, I’m willing to bet this moron couldn’t tell me how many Rings of Power there are.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:00 pm to
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While he can Google it and I don’t believe him, I’m willing to bet this moron couldn’t tell me how many Rings of Power there are.


You can’t debate dishonest people with different goals than you. I’m not sure why we try.

At the end of the day take solace in this.

This dumb, wriggly frick watched the video in the OP and was like “right on, i agree with these 4 people”



Hahahahahahaha.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 10:02 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:00 pm to
Sammy hasn't even seen the movie TOLKIEN, I'm guessing.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:03 pm to
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Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:07 pm to
You’re argument has so many fricking holes.

A first you said it was set in WWI Europe. Then you said Middle Earth was Prehistoric Britain. You understand those are 2 different settings, right? Like WWI didn’t happen on prehistoric Britain.

So right there something is off.

Second the argument is that this is RUINED by black people being there. Which is just fricking assuming. First, that’s just a matter of opinion. You’re racist so I believe It’s ruined for you. But your attempt to justify it by continuing to claim LOTR is set in WWI.

But again, if your need to world to be realistic to WWI why don’t the elves bother you? Why don’t the dwarves? You can accept those because they’re there, but black people would ruin it? Why?

Tolkien even said the sorry isn’t allegorical in his forward to the second edition

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As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. As the story grew it put down roots (into the past) and threw out unexpected branches: but its main theme was settled from the outset by the inevitable choice of the Ring as the link between it and The Hobbit.


He also pointed out the difference between tear in the LOTR and real war

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The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. If it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dûr would not have been destroyed but occupied.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 10:22 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:09 pm to
Again, you just keep saying you know better but you’ve aren’t saying anything.

I don’t Believe you

Bet you’ve never read any of the books.
Probably learned it all from that movie.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25692 posts
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:13 pm to
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You’re argument has so many fricking holes. A first you said it was set in WWI Europe. Then you said Middle Earth was Prehistoric Britain. You understand those are 2 different settings, right? Like WWI didn’t happen on prehistoric Britain. So right there something is off. Second the argument is that this is RUINED by black people being there. Which is just fricking assuming. First, that’s just a matter of opinion. You’re racist so I believe It’s ruined for you. But your attempt to justify it by continuing to claim LOTR is set in WWI. But again, if your need to world to be realistic to WWI why don’t the elves bother you? Why don’t the dwarves? You can accept those because they’re there, but black people would ruin it? Why?


You lied about literally every thing you said here. Impressive
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47194 posts
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:14 pm to
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Again, you just keep saying you know better but you’ve aren’t saying anything.

I don’t Believe you

Bet you’ve never read any of the books.
Probably learned it all from that movie.



Fine. I noted you've refused to even answer how many times, if any, you've read the books.

Also, I do own 2 sets of the LOTR trilogy, including the special extended edition, with hours and hours of extras, narrations, and artwork, etc...
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:17 pm to
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You’re racist


Ah there it is. I provided a fantasy series that was appropriately cast being released around the same time of LotR with a similar budget and themes only from a different region and said that I’d be appalled if someone like myself was cast because I don’t sync in with the universe, but I’m still a racist. Go frick yourself mouth breather.

You’ve lost this. I know you thinking labeling anyone as an -ist or -phobe makes you automatically win the argument, but it doesn’t. You’re a room temperature IQ simpleton who should return his parent’s basement. You’re an idiot clown and keep just digging yourself deeper. No point in further engaging with you. You lost the argument.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 10:22 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47194 posts
Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:18 pm to
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But again, if your need to world to be realistic to WWI why don’t the elves bother you? Why don’t the dwarves? You can accept those because they’re there, but black people would ruin it? Why?


SammyTiger - what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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