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re: Altered Carbon season 2 on the 27th
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:53 pm to Wanderin Reb
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:53 pm to Wanderin Reb
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but Mackie lacks a lot of the nuances that I loved about Joel Kinnaman. Mackie shows a lot more emotion than Kinnaman did, and it makes it harder to accept that it's the same guy.
Honestly with a show based on the premise of changing host sleeves and a "super being" (the envoy) remaining as the most mutable, continuity in the mannerisms and demeanor I think would be key. Kinda disappointed bc I noticed this same thing after the first episode. Hope it doesn't distract me.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 1:55 pm
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:25 pm to SundayFunday
I thought this season was great. Really enjoyed it
Posted on 2/28/20 at 4:44 pm to musick
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Honestly with a show based on the premise of changing host sleeves and a "super being" (the envoy) remaining as the most mutable, continuity in the mannerisms and demeanor I think would be key. Kinda disappointed bc I noticed this same thing after the first episode. Hope it doesn't distract me.
I think they could lean on the fact that he's jumped so many hosts at this point, combined with the line from the Yukuza guy in Ep. 1 where he said (roughly), "Every time you re-sleeve your copy degrades. I'm not the man I once was, and neither are you."
That's gonna be my head-cannon explanation for it, at least. Along with him getting more and more exasperated as his hunt for Kel drags on.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 5:49 pm to frankthetank
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Unfortunately, it looks like no more Martha Higareda.
Nooooooooo!!
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:47 pm to Wanderin Reb
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Mackie lacks a lot of the nuances that I loved about Joel Kinnaman
Mackie has a lot of charisma, but I feel the same way.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 9:49 pm to musick
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continuity in the mannerisms and demeanor I think would be key. Kinda disappointed bc I noticed this same thing after the first episode.
In fairness, it’s an easy thing to do in a book series, and a very difficult thing to do in a television series with different actors.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 9:53 am to Lima Whiskey
Loved this season and really like the Po character a lot
Posted on 2/29/20 at 10:20 am to Duzz
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I haven't watched it yet judging by how they they fired the main character for being white and going with Anythony Mackie, I am gonna guess there will be a lesbian power couple in this.
I’m normally all in on the crap on Hollywood wokeness but that’s hellastupid.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 12:31 pm to 3nOut
I wish they’d cast someone that was more of a Terrence Howard.
Posted on 2/29/20 at 2:09 pm to DoUrden
Through 4 episodes so far, it’s kind of losing me. The acting in this season is pretty bad so I’m having trouble investing.
And I loved season 1.
And I loved season 1.
This post was edited on 2/29/20 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/29/20 at 9:12 pm to vuvuzela
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Through 4 episodes so far, it’s kind of losing me. The acting in this season is pretty bad so I’m having trouble investing.
And I loved season 1.
That was where I was for my last post in the thread. I kept with it and am glad I did.
It's not as good as S1 but it picks up once you realize the story initially introduced is just window dressing for a much larger story. S1 was like that too but the way they told the story was far easier to follow and more interesting.
*****SPOILER-ISH*****
What I mean is that in S1 the murder is kept pretty much as the focus for most of the season until that story transitioned into a bigger story. This season they introduced a murder but the series didn't focus so well on it because of Quell's early introduction. I think it would have worked better if she had been introduced a little later (having him awaken to everyone dead but no one attacking him) then maybe have him catching up to her while she's killing Founders (after he figures out whom was being targeted and why).
As others have mentioned, Mackie just isn't good at playing characters the way others have played them. I hope for future seasons they look at potential leads that have that ability, it would be a huge boon.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 1:29 am to Bard
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This season they introduced a murder but the series didn't focus so well on it because of Quell's early introduction
I've only watched the first 3 episodes so far, but they basically have combined the story lines from books two and three together in a weird mishmash, which is making it somewhat disjointed. But that might just be me.
Posted on 3/1/20 at 8:35 am to Bard
quote:In-universe, this makes sense, and I was thinking the same early this season, then I thought a bit further in the context of a TV series.
Mackie just isn't good at playing characters the way others have played them. I hope for future seasons they look at potential leads that have that ability, it would be a huge boon.
Face Off was a fun film. It was HILARIOUS watching Cage play Travolta’s mannerisms and vice versa.
But it would probably get distracting across several seasons of a full series.
This post was edited on 3/1/20 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/2/20 at 12:40 pm to auyushu
Finished it past night. This season finished real strong. Maybe not quite as good as season 1’s epic T&A, but certainly a solid season 2.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 3:42 pm to DoUrden
I'm thinking about giving this series a try.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:13 pm to Wanderin Reb
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Mackie lacks a lot of the nuances that I loved about Joel Kinnaman.
This.
I finished season 2 last night and and I have to say that Mackie general demeanor is just so wooden in comparison to Joel.
Even the lounge sleeve woman Kovacs was wearing in the first episode was way closer to Joel than Mackie.
Joel had that kind of sarcastic, DGAF, mirthful swag and the way he walked was with authority and power and those are things that Mackie does not have.
Don't get me wrong, Mackie did the very best he could and this was a very strong season 2 for Altered Carbon on storyline and character development alone and I really like how far Poe and Ms Dig have come but Joel remains the benchmark imo for the main character.
Hopefully season 3 will have an actor that's as it can get to Joel.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:39 pm to DoUrden
Can someone explain to me how sleeves get to planets? Are they just made locally? For instance Kovacs original sleeve?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 8:59 pm to Sentrius
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Joel had that kind of sarcastic, DGAF, mirthful swag and the way he walked was with authority and power and those are things that Mackie does not have.
This is my only gripe with Mackie. Kovacs in season one was very much DGAF. I was expecting the same attitude but that’s not what Mackie does well.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 11:24 pm to TigerCruise
quote:Sleeves are not “made.”. They are biological human bodies. Usually, data from someone on one planet gets needlecast from one planet to another and then put in a sleeve from that planet.
Can someone explain to me how sleeves get to planets? Are they just made locally? For instance Kovacs original sleeve?
Physical interplanetary travel seems to take years. It does not make sense. to ship a body/sleeve from one system to another.
Kovacs’ original sleeve was available in s2 because the story was set on his home planet. The sleeve probably never left.
On the other hand, there are synths, and the advanced planets are probably capable of producing THEM locally.
Posted on 3/3/20 at 7:01 am to TigerCruise
They are made locally. While there are types of sleeves called synths that can be made, it is absolutely true that original sleeves can be remade/cloned as well(think of double-sleeving two Joel Kinnemans S1).
When the settled worlds were first colonized the original settlers had to actually make the interstellar travel physically, but once there and the tech advanced they were able to needlecast information, which means at the speed of light, back and forth. I think old man Harlan said that he spent half his original life before stacks on a colony ship.
When the settled worlds were first colonized the original settlers had to actually make the interstellar travel physically, but once there and the tech advanced they were able to needlecast information, which means at the speed of light, back and forth. I think old man Harlan said that he spent half his original life before stacks on a colony ship.
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