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re: Alice in Borderland S2 - drops Thursday

Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:35 pm to
Posted by AFBuckeye
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:35 pm to
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Yeah that was kinda my point in something I said a page or two ago. I wondered if those were maybe people from past disaster events that decided to stay in BL. But I guess they could also be part of the meteor event as well.


I think I like the theory that citizens are there from other events. Like holdovers that had decided to stay instead of returning.
Posted by TinGym
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:38 pm to
I am. But really waiting for season 2 of Sweet Home. Not sure if there will even be one.
Posted by TTownTiger
Austin
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:21 am to
Just finished S2. Loved it.

Earlier this thread someone mentioned the face cards being so chatty and dropping bits of knowledge being kinda strange. Thought it would have been neat if the face cards were actually the doctors and/or nurses trying to save the patients lives in the streets or in the hospital. Could have explained why some were so helpful in borderlands. And even though in real life they would have all been trying to help the patients survive & live, they ultimately would have been the last people the patients had contact with even if they died irl. So that could be an explanation as to why, in borderlands, the face cards would be friendly (for the most part) but still be viewed as the the cause of so much death in the players/patients injured minds.

The idea is rough around the edges and wouldn’t explain why the face cards died after each game, but I could iron out some details if I gave it more time
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 9:59 am to
I don’t think the face cards had any clue as to what actually happened or is happening to anyone. The king of spades final moments kind of gave me that idea. He apologized and said it was the only way he knew to save them. If he had a clue, he’d have known that killing them would kill them in the real world. That isn’t saving them. I think all he knew was what it was like staying in Borderland and how terrible it actually was long term, so he designs his game to try and make sure people don’t have to make that choice.

They were all given the choice and decided to stay. However, after time they realized the depth of what that choice meant and many of them worked to find a way to atone for it.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 10:47 am
Posted by TTownTiger
Austin
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:37 am to
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I don’t think the face cards had any clue as to what actually happened are is happening to anyone.


I agree with that. There is no evidence of the face cards being in the real world or even aware of it. My post was just a hypothetical “if” the face cards were also actual people IRL, who would they be?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 10:46 am to
Gotcha. Not a terrible hypothetical. As to your dilemma on why some are helpful and some aren’t, could be just as easy as human nature. How many nurse’s get off on torturing patients and killing them? They very well could be the medical staff, but not all medical staff are altruistic.
Posted by TTownTiger
Austin
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 12:22 pm to
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How many nurse’s get off on torturing patients and killing them? They very well could be the medical staff, but not all medical staff are altruistic.



I wouldn't even go the torturing patients route. You could, obviously, depending on how dark you want to go in a series thats already pretty damn dark. I was thinking their brain is trying to comprehend whats going on as they die and it falsely projects the blame of them dying on the doctors/medical staff; hence, creating the doctors to be the face cards and in control of life or death. Basically go the Jacobs Ladder route with it where reality & death bed delusions are blurred.

This is all jibberish and doesnt matter anyways. Just stupid shite I was thinking about after the series when I was thinking about possible ways to tie the face cards into the real world.
This post was edited on 1/7/23 at 12:29 pm
Posted by upstate
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/7/23 at 8:45 pm to
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Like what?


If you go too far down the rabbit hole on it being purgatory from the meteor, you would assume the characters sustained their injuries during the blast, right? Like usagi hurt her leg there, and not while laying in the hospital bed.

But in purgatory/borderland she sustained that injury very late in the games. So was she always going to sustain that before clearing the game, or was that a product of how she played the game and therefore reality of the meteor blast would’ve had to know and account for it?

Like, is she sitting in the hospital bed with that jacked up leg even if she dies in the games prior to getting injured?

Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/8/23 at 9:06 am to
I mean she lost her leg basically in her first game. Knowing what we know about time in the real world vs borderland, she was not in borderland very long at all in regards to the real world, when it happens.
Posted by upstate
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/8/23 at 10:18 am to
She didn’t start limping until the king of spades showdown
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/8/23 at 4:42 pm to
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I mean she lost her leg basically in her first game. Knowing what we know about time in the real world vs borderland, she was not in borderland very long at all in regards to the real world, when it happens

I think you’re confusing Usagi with the high school chick.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 1/8/23 at 5:07 pm to
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I think you’re confusing Usagi with the high school chick


They're both hot, so understandable
Posted by cfish140
BR
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:12 am to
Just finished. I thought it was great. If anybody here is a fan of Naruto you could easily tell that was a “genjustu” ep 8. Japanese gonna Japanese
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:07 pm to
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I think you’re confusing Usagi with the high school chick.


Yep, I was.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:04 pm to
Just from what I have seen in the Netflix series, season two episode seven is infuriating. So many stupid and meaningless actions by so many people. It’s basically undoing everything I liked about the show so far.

Basically, there is no way in hell after all these people had been through and seen that they would fight the way they do with the king of spades. Utterly ridiculous.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21656 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 6:02 am to
Just received volume one of the manga because I am very curious to see how it was written. Anyone read one of these things? You have to read it backwards. It’s a PITA
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47041 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:11 am to
Perhaps in another timeline I'd be into reading Manga and such source material, but I'm just not feeling it. I'm content with the onscreen adaptations of such things like Alita, Arcane, and similar type works.

As for Alice in Borderland, it's been pretty good to watch, but I really had issues with S2, E7. So much happens and it just seems hurried and not well thought out. More like 'because the show needed it to happen', yet it just felt like it was phoned in. Several characters deserved better treatment,imo.

* finished season two. A bit drawn out, but sort of clever. At first, I thought it was going for a St.Elsewhere twist, but then it went to a different way. Give it a one thumbs up.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:41 pm to
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My whole answer is spoilers


I just finished this tonight, and here's my addition:

(theory)
The borderland experience of all of those that feel connected in it together was some kind of shared DMT experience caused by their near/actual deaths.



I liked this better than Season 1, maybe because I don't remember that much lol. But the intensity of the games they went deeper on here was great. I think I liked the prison game the best, but the number game was awesome also.

I HATED episode 7...until I realized like everyone else that it didn't really happen.

I also didn't really understand the King of Spades. It was like everyone played by the rules except he just walked around blasting people?

It's pretty crazy if you think linearly about Arisu's trip:
--gets cast into borderland and immediately has to play games
--friends die, almost as a sacrifice for him
--makes it to the final game
--believes he is a mental patient that watched his friends killed by a car
--"wakes up" only to be at the bar with his friends (wait, did this happen, are they alive?)
--actually wakes up in hospital
--notices people from his trip are really in the real worls


Now, that IS some psychedelic shite.
Posted by TTownTiger
Austin
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:28 am to
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I also didn't really understand the King of Spades. It was like everyone played by the rules except he just walked around blasting people?


His game is supposed to represent video games that are popular today. That’s why they kept showing Arisu playing the video game of him just running around a city blasting people. In games, once you spawn (or appear on the map), you’re fair game and can be killed immediately.. Since it was established in episode 1 that the King of Spades had the whole city as his game map, everyone is fair game the entire time as they would be in a video game.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27403 posts
Posted on 2/11/23 at 4:54 am to
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Since it was established in episode 1 that the King of Spades had the whole city as his game map, everyone is fair game the entire time as they would be in a video game.


This. With the only exception being if you’re in another game, which is what drove them to the shipyard game in the first place.

I still don’t know about the shared disaster experience theory though. It doesn’t explain that room of supposed controllers/game masters getting killed at the end of S1. How did they all end up in purgatory running a game instead of playing in it? And did they all just die in the real world at the exact same time as they presumably did in the game?
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 7:33 am
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