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re: Alice in Borderland S2 - drops Thursday
Posted on 1/3/23 at 3:15 am to AA7
Posted on 1/3/23 at 3:15 am to AA7
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My only real issue was like you said, it seemed like suddenly it was just impossible to kill people. Kuina got stabbed like 20 times and made it. The girl with the prosthetic leg took a full clip to the abdomen.
My whole answer is spoilers, so …..
SPOILERS…..
I mean , maybe I have a different perspective. Yes it was ridiculous at the time that they “lived” through all that damage inflicted by bullets and stabs, but that’s because they weren’t actually alive and truly inflicted by it. It’s what they experienced in the apparent Borderland between life and death. They didn’t want to die and they chose to go back to the real world.
I personally liked season 1 much better than season 2. It was more of a mystery. After the first few episodes, my gut instinct was Arisu and his buddies got hit by a car and died in the street, and that’s the reason why the police ran out. It wasn’t to chase them down.
Season 2 had some good moments but it felt like it ran off the rails until the Queen of Hearts game. It confused me enough to doubt what I thought was happening.
I thought the final 30 mins was a good payoff and redeemed the season. If a meteor truly struck the city in Season 1 Ep 1 and all these characters were there and had near death experiences together, then that’s a good explanation for me. Somehow they all got tied together in these Borderland games. Many died. Others fought to live and became unconsciously connected to one another. They declined to stay. And they returned to the normal world. I think that’s as good an explanation as any and makes sense. I’d be fine with the series wrapping up at this point. I don’t know the background story or anything about the Joker though.
I thought season 2 finale wrapped up well and was a satisfying conclusion.
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 5:20 am to habz007
******Major Spoilers Ahead from the comics******
The Joker - Info
The Joker
It looks like the Joker had a very minor role in the comics so not sure what direction S3 would go. BUT, I did also find this excerpt on this fandom page under Usagi's write up:
It looks like Arisu goes back to Borderland because of a car wreck and has to survive a second round of the games.
The Joker - Info
The Joker
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Joker is a mysterious being in the Borderlands, he appears with his signature Joker card, hence his alias, when the final game, Queen of Hearts, is cleared by Usagi Yuzuha and Ryohei Arisu, as they have refused the permanent residency in the Borderlands.
When Arisu asks Joker if he is the ruler of the Borderlands, he instead asks Arisu if he looks like a God or a Devil. Then the image of Sanzu River comes to Arisu’s mind, believing Joker is the equivalent of the ferryman (who is unnamed but the role is similar to Charon in Greek myth) who carries the dead to the netherworld, hence his subsequent reply, an intermediator. Immediately afterward, all players refusing permanent residency are sent back to reality as promised.
It looks like the Joker had a very minor role in the comics so not sure what direction S3 would go. BUT, I did also find this excerpt on this fandom page under Usagi's write up:
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After Borderland
Usagi reunites with Arisu in the hospital without the memory of their time in the Borderland. She stops Arisu to return his changes from the vendor machine, then he asks if they have met before, she in turn asks if this is some sort of "new flirting technique." Initially feeling embarrased, Arisu decides to go with the flow and ask her out for a date. The two develop a relationship in the following 2 years.
Eight years after their return from the Borderland (surviving the meteor disaster), the couple has already married and Usagi has changed her name to "Yuzuha Arisu." When Arisu is returning from a seminar in Shizuoka, Yuzuha is also entering labor and calls Arisu about her status. Without knowing Arisu being caught in a near-death accident, she is giving birth in the hospital. She and their newborn are the driving forces of Arisu to depart the Borderland for a second time.
It looks like Arisu goes back to Borderland because of a car wreck and has to survive a second round of the games.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:35 am to habz007
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maybe I have a different perspective. Yes it was ridiculous at the time that they “lived” through all that damage inflicted by bullets and stabs, but that’s because they weren’t actually alive and truly inflicted by it. It’s what they experienced in the apparent Borderland between life and death. They didn’t want to die and they chose to go back to the real world.
Right that's my take as well. In real time watching the episodes I was rolling my eyes saying "oh come on!!" like everyone else, but once we got the explanation at the end it made sense. Also the people in borderland had the same injuries as they did in real life after the meteor. High school archer girl lost a leg in both cases for instance.
Even though it was annoying in real time, if the people that got murked in borderland were to actually die, taht would signal that they lost their fight to life in the real world. So if we wanted those folks like missing leg girla nd blue bikini top girl to actually survive the metor they'd have to still live thorugh those comically bad injuries in borderland
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:45 am to WG_Dawg
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Right that's my take as well. In real time watching the episodes I was rolling my eyes saying "oh come on!!" like everyone else, but once we got the explanation at the end it made sense. Also the people in borderland had the same injuries as they did in real life after the meteor. High school archer girl lost a leg in both cases for instance.
Even though it was annoying in real time, if the people that got murked in borderland were to actually die, taht would signal that they lost their fight to life in the real world. So if we wanted those folks like missing leg girla nd blue bikini top girl to actually survive the metor they'd have to still live thorugh those comically bad injuries in borderland
I agree with all of that. My main gripe with it is that it seemed to be inconsistent with S1 a bit. Things that would "normally" kill people for most of the show did just that. It wasn't until several outliers with the main cast came about that changed that (like Narugi, King of Spades, Aguni, high school girl, Usagi, etc.).
One thing that I don't fully get though...the "citizens" of this world. How did they get to that level? Were they also involved with the meteor event and just beat the games quicker and chose to stay, or were they part of the Borderlands from previous event/incidents and decided to stay in that world to test newcomers?
The more I reflect on the ending of S2, the better I am with it. And like has been mentioned now, the fact that Borderlands is basically a purgatory of sorts explains some of the ridiculousness that I had an issue with while watching live (plant infestation, timelines, surviving injuries, etc.).
I guess my main issue now is the series moving forward. It wrapped things up plenty nicely enough to be a "complete" story, so additional seasons seem unnecessary IMO. At least for the current crop of characters since we know who got out and who didn't.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:50 am to PhilipMarlowe
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it sounds like season 2 has been a bit of a letdown compared to season 1.
I don't think so. It is just different. S1 was almost fully game focused. S2 is starting to try and expand into more of wtf is going on. The games have all just been so well done that it is hard to not want the show to just be fully games. S2 has had a few slow moments, but overall it has still been very good. I have two episodes left I believe.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:26 pm to CocomoLSU
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One thing that I don't fully get though...the "citizens" of this world. How did they get to that level?
I'm guessing that people recover at different rates from the meteor blast. Some folks may be healed up and released in 2 days and some may be in a coma for months, I can't really recall the specifics at the end so that may have been address idk. So I would take the "citizens" to be people that simply held on and stayed alive long enough while unconsious that they just kept on progressing through the games
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were they part of the Borderlands from previous event/incidents and decided to stay in that world to test newcomers?
I assume that every single person we see in the borderlands is someone taht was damaged by the meteor blast
Posted on 1/3/23 at 2:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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I assume that every single person we see in the borderlands is someone taht was damaged by the meteor blast
I assume so because they were all in the same game. Maybe the face cards and their people are recovering from other near death experiences and are holdovers in the Borderland.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 3:19 pm to MSTiger33
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I assume so because they were all in the same game. Maybe the face cards and their people are recovering from other near death experiences and are holdovers in the Borderland.
Wait. You either agree that everyone on Borderlands was from the meteor event, or you think they are holdovers in the BL. Which is it?
Posted on 1/3/23 at 3:46 pm to CocomoLSU
I think the Borderlands is broad. I think the players we were following were from the meteor and the face card game masters were there because of some other trauma (not the meteor shower)
ETA: There goes my theory.
ETA: There goes my theory.
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In the subsequent manga Alice on Border Road, Gamon Kano confirms that he had a neuroscientist sister who perished in the meteor strike that took place in the events of Alice in Borderland. Although Gamon does not name her specifically, it is implied through their shared family name and the illustration that Mira is indeed his sister.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 1/3/23 at 5:23 pm to WG_Dawg
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Wasn't it pretty clearly explained at the end? It wasn't VR or a futuristic simulation. It was these people literally fighting for their life while unconscious in the hospital after tbe meteor blast, while in tbe borderland between life and death.
Ok I’m an idiot now and didn’t pick that up.
Makes some sense but presents other issues. Also curious how they use purgatory as a go forward with these characters.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:09 pm to upstate
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Makes some sense but presents other issues
Like what?
I’m really interested in discussion about this show but unfortunately there are only a few of us in this thread who care. I wish this show was more popular, because it’s great.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:33 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I’m torn between this or House of the Dragon, on what to start next.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 9:32 am to PhilipMarlowe
Start this, please. We need more bodies to discuss it with.
Plus, I enjoy it more than HoD (although HoD was pretty damn good).
Plus, I enjoy it more than HoD (although HoD was pretty damn good).
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:15 am to upstate
Do you think it was for all people involved in the blast, or only those experiencing loss or useless life as shown in each characters flashback?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 10:32 am to PhilipMarlowe
Okay, so if this is all purgatory from the meteor blast, what about the people that helped run the game? Like that room full of people that seemed to be watching all of the games but then got zapped at the end of S1?
They were a part of the blast but their subconscious went into the Borderlands in a role where they ran the first part of the games but then all died before the second part of the games? That means they would’ve all simultaneously died in the real world too?
They were a part of the blast but their subconscious went into the Borderlands in a role where they ran the first part of the games but then all died before the second part of the games? That means they would’ve all simultaneously died in the real world too?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 1:10 pm to theGarnetWay
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Okay, so if this is all purgatory from the meteor blast, what about the people that helped run the game? Like that room full of people that seemed to be watching all of the games but then got zapped at the end of S1?
They were a part of the blast but their subconscious went into the Borderlands in a role where they ran the first part of the games but then all died before the second part of the games? That means they would’ve all simultaneously died in the real world too?
Yeah that was kinda my point in something I said a page or two ago. I wondered if those were maybe people from past disaster events that decided to stay in BL. But I guess they could also be part of the meteor event as well.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 1:19 pm to MSTiger33
Liked Season 2 but not quite as much as Season 1. Having never read the source material it is pretty open ended still as to what Borderlands is. Also total bonus to see Ann (Ayaka Myoshi). 
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This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 5:25 pm to CocomoLSU
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Yeah that was kinda my point in something I said a page or two ago. I wondered if those were maybe people from past disaster events that decided to stay in BL. But I guess they could also be part of the meteor event as well.
Even still, they all just died at the same time in the real world?
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:07 pm to MSTiger33
Season 2 better than Season 1.
That's right...I said it.
That's right...I said it.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:14 pm to theGarnetWay
I’m curious on the citizens as well. Could also be they were the people at the epicenter so they would have been knocked out earlier than the others. If Arisu was only gone for a minute, if the people closer to the initial blast were gone for just an additional 30 seconds or minute longer, they’d be in that world a lot longer than his group in that intersection. So, they would have played through and became citizens and decided to stay.
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