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re: 2 questions about X-Men DOFP **SPOILERS**
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:32 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:32 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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in the right scenario (ie no metal around) Wolverine would whoop Magneto's arse.
He would have to be in an incredibly idealistic scenario in order for this to be the case. Plus, Magneto is never not armed with metal unless he's imprisoned. If Magneto has even a bit of metal, it's still a curbstomp battle. Plus Magneto can levitate and get out of Wolverine's reach. Magneto would easily win 99 out of a 100 times.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 3:34 pm
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:10 pm to OMLandshark
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He would have to be in an incredibly idealistic scenario in order for this to be the case
that's what i'm saying. and this movie tip-toed right up to that perfect scenario but never let it play out. We'll never have that opportunity again. I wanted to at least see Wolverine get a few good shots in before Magneto flew away. It would give Logan the satisfaction of having whooped up on Magneto just once and it would give us a unique battle. Maybe they couldnt figure out how to handle the issue of Magneto's wounds if Wolverine used his bone claws, idk. But, i wish they would've let them fight just a little. Alpha-hero vs. Alpha-villian
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:43 pm to LesMiles BFF
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She's never been able to replicate the powers of others like they could do
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That's something I thought of too!
It's like they were robots made from Mystique's and Rogue's powers (sort of).
They shot scenes that had Roque captured and her powers copied to add to the Sentinel mix. The plot had Magneto and Xavier breaking her out in the far future. Her scenes were cut for time. This explains why she was so high in the end credits for someone with no lines and one cameo.
The writer has said that Roque's scenes will probably appear on a future DVD release.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 5:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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They shot scenes that had Roque captured and her powers copied to add to the Sentinel mix. The plot had Magneto and Xavier breaking her out in the far future. Her scenes were cut for time. This explains why she was so high in the end credits for someone with no lines and one cameo.
The writer has said that Roque's scenes will probably appear on a future DVD release.
I hope its in an extended directors cut and not just some deleted scenes.
That sounds a lot like some high up exec got pissed at how long the movie was and wanted it trimmed down so they could have more showings per screen.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:12 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
I'm pretty sure Logan is still completely metal, except for the claws. His claws were cut off by the Silver Samari and grew back as bone, but his skeleton is still metal.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:18 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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in the right scenario (ie no metal around) Wolverine would whoop Magneto's arse.
In your "right scenario", Wolverine would be suffering from a severe iron defeciency. Which would mean Magneto could have no powers at all and could still kick the shite out of him.
Wolverine never beats Magneto bub.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:56 pm to OMLandshark
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Plus Magneto can levitate and get out of Wolverine's reach. Magneto would easily win 99 out of a 100 times.
That's not winning. That's cowarding. If it's Magneto vs. Wolverine out in a desert somewhere with no metal anywhere around, then Wolverine whips his arse. You can levitate all you want, but eventually you have to come down for the fight. Without metal around, Magneto is worthless.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 6:58 pm to Dr RC
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That sounds a lot like some high up exec got pissed at how long the movie was and wanted it trimmed down so they could have more showings per screen.
You'd be surprised how often this happens. They butchered large parts of TDKR to get it down to 150 minutes.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:16 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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that's what i'm saying. and this movie tip-toed right up to that perfect scenario but never let it play out.
He was surrounded by a metallic baseball stadium, an army of sentinels, and tons of other metallic stuff already on site. Wolverine never stood a chance. Just because Wolverine didn't have antamantium claws doesn't mean he stands much of a chance against Magneto.
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I wanted to at least see Wolverine get a few good shots in before Magneto flew away. It would give Logan the satisfaction of having whooped up on Magneto just once and it would give us a unique battle. Maybe they couldnt figure out how to handle the issue of Magneto's wounds if Wolverine used his bone claws, idk. But, i wish they would've let them fight just a little. Alpha-hero vs. Alpha-villian
That opportunity couldn't present itself, since I seriously doubt Magneto ever goes unarmed. All he needs are two small metal balls and he can unleash hell. The only way Wolverine would bear Magneto is if they're in the middle of the desert and both of them have absolutely no metal on them.
And I really think you're overstating Wolverine being the Alpha-hero of the X-Men universe. He's the most popular, sure, but biggest and most important? Nah. Wolverine is a pretty selfish individual and is usually only present for his gruffness.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 7:26 pm to The_Hornet
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That's not winning. That's cowarding. If it's Magneto vs. Wolverine out in a desert somewhere with no metal anywhere around, then Wolverine whips his arse. You can levitate all you want, but eventually you have to come down for the fight. Without metal around, Magneto is worthless.
Yeah, but Magneto would never allow that idealistic situation to happen. Give Magneto a dime, and he's incredibly lethal. Why would Magneto ever leave his apartment without metal?
Plus something tells me that Wolverine has at least one cavity from living so long, which makes Magneto much more deadly against most unarmed humans.
Edit on the cavity since he has healing powers, but it is a good point on the fact how ridiculously lethal he is.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 8:52 pm to OMLandshark
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. If it's Magneto vs. Wolverine out in a desert somewhere with no metal anywhere around
There's always metal around. Magneto can extract every ounce of iron in your blood, weaponize it and obliterate you. Tell me again about this dreamworld where hairy claw guy that heals fast can beat Magneto?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:16 pm to Murray
Does no one realize the point is moot because Wolverine lost his claws only, his skeleton is still metal.
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:36 pm to nosaj
Actually his skeleton is not metal in 1973.
The movie specifically states they transfer his consciousness back to his body of 1973. Hence no grey hair streak. And the events of stryker had yet to take place.
Also, in all likelihood the events of X1 still took place but the future is altered. The justification is based on hanks theory and xavier closing thoughts about throwing enough rocks to momentarily cause enough ripples in the time/space continuum to change an event, but the flow of time based events continues on.
Wolverines claws in the future should have been bone unless magneto re covered them with metal (likely scenario).
The movie specifically states they transfer his consciousness back to his body of 1973. Hence no grey hair streak. And the events of stryker had yet to take place.
Also, in all likelihood the events of X1 still took place but the future is altered. The justification is based on hanks theory and xavier closing thoughts about throwing enough rocks to momentarily cause enough ripples in the time/space continuum to change an event, but the flow of time based events continues on.
Wolverines claws in the future should have been bone unless magneto re covered them with metal (likely scenario).
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:36 pm to The_Hornet
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You'd be surprised how often this happens. They butchered large parts of TDKR to get it down to 150 minutes.
I work in the (Dallas) film industry so I am sadly not.
That was one of the things that caused Daredveil to get jacked to pieces. Avi Arad was trying to cut it down to 90 minutes. The theatrical run time ended up at 103 and the directors cut is 133.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:39 pm to nosaj
nah man. he doesn't have any adamantium yet at the time he's fighting magneto. Plus, let's remember that Beast got to beat up on magneto in DOFP so I see no reason why wolverine can't get in a few good licks before inevitably being overcome by magneto.
Who is the alpha-hero if not wolverine?
Who is the alpha-hero if not wolverine?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 9:56 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Who is the alpha-hero if not wolverine?
as somebody who read x-men for 10 years, wolverine was the alpha hero. cyclops, jean, and storm were the leaders of x-men for a lot of the 80's,90's, and 2000's but it was almost always wolverine driving the story line during those years.
he was the most popular superhero at that time and was thus written as the alpha (albeit anti)hero.
one of the best storylines they ever ran with was wolverine getting his adamantium stripped out by magneto in X-Men 25 and Wolverine 75.
Interestingly, I wrote a letter to the comics at my 8 year old self and had it published in the back for that issue. i've gotten rid of every comic i have except that one and my bone collection.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 10:43 am to 3nOut
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but it was almost always wolverine driving the story line during those years.
As much as I hate to kind of agree, there were more stories focused on him than any other individual character over that time period.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it happened at an "almost always" frequency though but I'm just nitpicking there.
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one of the best storylines they ever ran with was wolverine getting his adamantium stripped out by magneto in X-Men 25 and Wolverine 75.
That was a good one.
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I wrote a letter to the comics at my 8 year old self and had it published in the back for that issue.
That's cool. I never wrote in but I did miss the letter pages after they disappeared. Pre-internet, the letters pages were the main source of hints from wrtiers on what was coming up in future stories.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 10:46 am to Murray
Marvel made the mistake of making their heroes "all-powerful". Magneto can manipulate the iron in your blood, Sue Storm can form a force bubble inside your blood vessel, Wolverine can regenerate from a drop of blood...
DC did something similar with Aquaman at one point, having him control the bacteria in your body as he controls the fish in the sea.
Once the fans became writers, they got a little too clever for their own good.
DC did something similar with Aquaman at one point, having him control the bacteria in your body as he controls the fish in the sea.
Once the fans became writers, they got a little too clever for their own good.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:47 am to Fewer Kilometers
I don't know if I'd lump Magneto and Sue's creative use of their powers that comes from years of experience with the Douche Ex Machina of Wolverine regenerating from a drop of blood.
I will agree that the fans/writers do walk a fine line but it makes for some really interesting takes on classic heroes and villains sometimes.
Geoff Johns did this very well with many C-list villains at DC in his day.
I will agree that the fans/writers do walk a fine line but it makes for some really interesting takes on classic heroes and villains sometimes.
Geoff Johns did this very well with many C-list villains at DC in his day.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/4/14 at 12:20 pm to Murray
Ahhh. I haven't seen it yet, I was just going off of what he had at the end of The Wolverine. My bad.
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