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re: Why would Navy fire Ken Niumatalolo?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:32 am to Ghost of Colby
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:32 am to Ghost of Colby
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Navy had a good thing going for about 15 years. They were winning eight or nine games a year, and would occasionally finish a season with a top 25 ranking and 10+ wins.
quote:they finished the season ranked 20th in 2019.
They have really dropped off the last few years
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:39 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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they finished the season ranked 20th in 2019.
This only happened because everything clicked for Malcolm Perry at QB, and he was probably the best athlete to play at any of the service academies over the last 20 years.
Not saying this to disparage that team being good. I'm saying this because it felt more like one great player extending Ken's era as opposed to Ken making a long term adjustment.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:49 am to VADawg
quote:he couldn’t have been better than Keenan Reynolds
Malcolm Perry at QB, and he was probably the best athlete to play at any of the service academies over the last 20 years.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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he couldn’t have been better than Keenan Reynolds
Reynolds was an option wizard. Athletically, he wasn't close to Perry.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:02 am to concrete_tiger
The Navy AD needs his head examined for this boneheaded decision.
I feel even worse for the Navy fullback who fumbled. Not only does he need to deal with the regret of feeling like he lost the game, his coach gets fired immediately afterwards.
I feel even worse for the Navy fullback who fumbled. Not only does he need to deal with the regret of feeling like he lost the game, his coach gets fired immediately afterwards.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:09 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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they finished the season ranked 20th in 2019.
I mean that’s 4 years ago now…hell half the damn SEC has been through multiple coaches since then
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:18 am to baldona
Well he’s only had 3 football seasons between now and then, one of those being Covid, and it’s the naval academy not the sec.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:20 am to MikeyFL
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The Navy AD needs his head examined for this boneheaded decision.
2-5 in his last 7 vs Army and 2-5 in his last 7 vs Air Force. Those are the kinds of numbers that get service academy coaches fired.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
This is what losing to your rival does. Army has won 5/7 of the last meetings.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:30 am to concrete_tiger
Politics. He gambled on a personal friend and lost.
In September 2021, the Navy AD forced Coach Ken’s hand to fire Ivin Jasper as Offensive Coordinator after a poor start by the Offense.
Coach Ken begged Navy AD to let Coach Jasper stay on staff in a revised/limited roll.
What does Coach Ken do this season to the annoyance of the Navy AD - he lets Coach Jasper start calling the plays again.
I respect his loyalty to Coach Jasper but you had to know it was not going to end well if the Offense didn’t perform.
In September 2021, the Navy AD forced Coach Ken’s hand to fire Ivin Jasper as Offensive Coordinator after a poor start by the Offense.
Coach Ken begged Navy AD to let Coach Jasper stay on staff in a revised/limited roll.
What does Coach Ken do this season to the annoyance of the Navy AD - he lets Coach Jasper start calling the plays again.
I respect his loyalty to Coach Jasper but you had to know it was not going to end well if the Offense didn’t perform.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:37 am to UncleLester
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I respect his loyalty to Coach Jasper but you had to know it was not going to end well if the Offense didn’t perform.
Ken himself mentioned this in an article with The Athletic before the season. He said he knew he and his staff were in trouble if they went 4-8ish again.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:38 am to MikeyFL
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The Navy AD needs his head examined for this boneheaded decision. I feel even worse for the Navy fullback who fumbled. Not only does he need to deal with the regret of feeling like he lost the game, his coach gets fired immediately afterwards.
That’s why I was saying in regards to not just resigning. But I think the AD’s do these coaches a service and fire them often times so they get paid out.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:25 am to VADawg
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2-5 in his last 7 vs Army and 2-5 in his last 7 vs Air Force. Those are the kinds of numbers that get service academy coaches fired.
What is he supposed to do? Adopt an airraid offense with linemen who have to meet weight restrictions?
On the whole, Niumatalolo was phenomenally successful at Navy, especially given their academic and weight restrictions. When you have three institutions that are fundamentally the same, those recent records are just a regression to the mean.
After Niumatalolo's group of 18 returning starters cycle out of the program, I doubt any future Navy coach will enjoy the success he had from 2009-2019.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:32 am to concrete_tiger
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I haven’t dug to see what the causes might be, but he seems like about as good as it could ever get?
2022 results
A little surprised they didn't give him another year but he'd been backsliding the last few years. Losing to Delaware and dropping 5 of the last 7 to both Army and Air Force probably did him in. He does have nearly a quarter of Navy's wins (3 of 13) against Notre Dame though.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:56 pm to Dr RC
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A little surprised they didn't give him another year but he'd been backsliding the last few years.
Thinking a new coach will do better without that once every few years talent is silly. Navy is going to get even less talent now that kids can make decent money anywhere they go.
It’s not unrealistic for these academies to have multiple losing seasons and then 3 good to great seasons just because of one player.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:39 pm to TT
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No one transfers in or out.
Do what? Happens all the time especially with FB players.Navy has a feeder system of prep schools and Army saw the success they were having so they do the same now.
Marion Military Institute in Alabama is also a place where students go who couldn't originally get into service academics and eventually transfer to West Point or Annapolis.Had a nephew that went there and eventually graduated from WP
Students also leave/transfer out of the service academies and can do so w/out penalty if they do it within 2 years I believe.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 3:43 pm to mtnhighTiger
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You can't transfer in
You most certainly can.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 5:45 pm to RD Dawg
Most of y’all don’t understand that Navy wasn’t allowed to give any of their players an extra year of eligibility for COVID. While the other service academies were. That’s a key part of why they have struggled
Posted on 12/12/22 at 6:40 pm to concrete_tiger
From a Navy fan: Good Riddance! His success was riding what Paul Johnson built and he rode that for as long it could last.
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