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re: Why do pro athletes and the media thinks it's appropriate to bitch abt money?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:02 am to rintintin
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:02 am to rintintin
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Are they THAT out of touch with their audience?
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Your average NFL viewer is making $50k a year and spending $100+ a ticket to come watch you play a game.
Eh, players generate millions for their employers. Audience income shouldn't be a deterrent for wanting fair market compensation.
I'm not going to take less money and/or never ask for a market rate salary at my job just because my customers make significantly less than I do.
You're worth what the market will pay you, and while I don't agree with some of the statements these running backs are making as of late, I'll never fault an individual for going after what they believe they are worth (regardless of profession).
If they are wrong about their worth, then the market will make that abundantly clear by not paying them what they want and/or adjusting their team/financial strategy to move on from that player.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:08 am to Broski
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I get that, which is why the running back rookie scale should be higher than other positions because, outside of a few outliers, that first contract for them will likely be their biggest and longest.
Lol yall that definitely wouldnt cause a ton of issues.
What a dumb take
Its unfortunate but analytics show that RBs aren't as valuable as they used to be. And the 10th best RB in the league isn't really that much better than the 40th best RB in the league. It's more about scheme and O line play in todays NFL.
The guys paying the bills have come to realize it's a bad business decision to pay RBs long term. No one is at fault. It's just facts. This crop of RBs is just unlucky that they found out during their time to shine.
They will have to suffer with 5-15/yr mill contracts while WRs flourish with 15-30/yr mill contracts.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:14 am to rintintin
It always amuses me that when it comes to pro sports, and how much people make, the general public loves to side with the billionaires over the millionaires.
Tread on me harder, daddy.
Tread on me harder, daddy.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:20 am to rintintin
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Are they THAT out of touch with their audience? You have RB's who have made $40-50 million in career earnings bitching about the drastic measures they may take b/c their position is unfairly compensated.
Well, they're trading that for a reduced life expectancy, lifelong pain, and CTE. I know I know, they know what they signed up for. but I think they deserve their money.
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I'm all for the free market, and athletes get paid their market worth because they have unique talents, but keep that shite behind closed doors. Your average NFL viewer is making $50k a year and spending $100+ a ticket to come watch you play a game.
People are people though, athletes aren't that different from you, they just have a unique skill as you've said that enables them to earn a lot of money.
But just because you dump $20m on someone that doesn't automatically adjust their mindset to one of abundance. There have been studies on lottery winners that demonstrate that they return to their pre-winning state of mind approximately 18 months after winning.
Wealth is an adjustment and I think a lot of these athletes don't actually feel wealthy deep down, especially because they know their time to earn this money is limited.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:23 am to rintintin
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Are they THAT out of touch with their audience?
Yes. They are spoiled coddled children.
McCaffery saying its “criminal” what RBs are making is sickening. He grew up in football with a silver spoon in his arse. Screw him.
Derek Henry too.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:24 am to dcrews
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I'm not going to take less money and/or never ask for a market rate salary at my job just because my customers make significantly less than I do.
And I never said they should. But maybe keep your mouth shut to the public?
It's like if you're a CEO making $5 mil a year and bitching about your salary to your buddy who is a school teacher. Wouldn't you have some wherewithal to know your buddy doesn't give a shite?
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You're worth what the market will pay you,
Yes, and the market is doing just that.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:25 am to rintintin
Because no matter how much money you already have, almost everybody always wants more money. If you look at the person to the right of you, and you know they have a lot more money than you. Then it is easy to become envious of them and desire that same amount.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:32 am to rintintin
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It's like if you're a CEO making $5 mil a year and bitching about your salary to your buddy who is a school teacher. Wouldn't you have some wherewithal to know your buddy doesn't give a shite?
Athletes are not CEOs though. They can't do this for the next 20-30+ years, and they don't receive hefty compensation packages if they have to step down.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:35 am to rintintin
Fans should never have allowed salaries to get to this point. It was driven by the greed of the owners, but players allowed it.
If NFL players only made $1 million/year instead of $10 million/year, would they really say, “Nah, I’m gonna go dig ditches or sell used cars instead” ?
If NFL players only made $1 million/year instead of $10 million/year, would they really say, “Nah, I’m gonna go dig ditches or sell used cars instead” ?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:35 am to AlonsoWDC
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always amuses me that when it comes to pro sports, and how much people make, the general public loves to side with the billionaires over the millionaires. Tread on me harder, daddy.
The salary for RBs is just going to other players not back to owners.
so your argument is essentially the NFL should adjust the salary cap in order to create a new pay scale for Running Backs only because…running backs before them made more? and the “billionaires” can afford it?
and if so, do you not see the ripple effect that would cause?
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:43 am to rintintin
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Exactly, teams will simply wait to draft RB's.
This is the free market at work.
I think that is their point. It’s not a free market system.
It’s highly regulated. RBs entering the league through the draft have no power over their salary or job location, and they are forced to sign 4 or 5 year contracts.
Certain positions are going to be impacted differently by such regulations, especially as the game evolves. Schemes, philosophy, analytics, rules, CBA, and the salary cap all play a role in roster building and prioritizing positions.
Running Backs are currently experiencing significant negative impacts in both service time and salaries. No one should be surprised they are concerned over the current and future value of that position.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:51 am to dcrews
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fair market compensation.
Fair market compensation is what a buyer, in this case the GMs and owners, are willing to pay for a good or service, in this case, running backs
Jerry Jones was an idiot for giving Zeke a huge contract. Zeke was one of, if not the best, rb in the league his first few years, but if he looked at trends he would realize they are not valuable like they were in the 90s or even 5 years ago.
Just because Jerry was dumb and overvalued one player doesn't mean all GMs are doing that. Most are looking at the RBs in the league and saying, I can pay this guy less than I can pay the top WR on my team. If the RB doesn't want to accept less, and the GM thinks he can let that RB go and find a free agent, that's perfectly in his rights to do so.
If a RB is a can't miss guy, he will get paid
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:52 am to Goldrush25
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Athletes are not CEOs though. They can't do this for the next 20-30+ years, and they don't receive hefty compensation packages if they have to step down.
So you think your buddy the school teacher would be empathetic to you the NFL RB just b/c your career is shorter?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:55 am to rintintin
i mean if I an picking sides between a billionaire and a millionaire
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:57 am to Broski
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Oh good god. Dude this is such a bad defense if you really think it's that easy for them to just leave and go do something else.
Playing football is a privilege, not a right
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:58 am to Ghost of Colby
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It’s highly regulated. RBs entering the league through the draft have no power over their salary or job location, and they are forced to sign 4 or 5 year contracts.
what? I don't think you understand what the free market means. The NFL is not a vacuum, it's a profession just like being an accountant, teacher, etc.
They can certainly choose to not sign a contract, or not play for a particular team and try their luck elsewhere.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:05 am to teke184
Jimmy Williams?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:07 am to rintintin
People worship athletes no matter how shitty and terrible they are. They'll even steer their own kids towards making athletes their role models.
America has chosen these people as their gods and they can't do enough wrong to change that.
America has chosen these people as their gods and they can't do enough wrong to change that.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:07 am to Buckeye06
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Fair market compensation is what a buyer, in this case the GMs and owners, are willing to pay for a good or service, in this case, running backs
It’s not really a free market though, they are negotiating with just 1 team. Some other team may be willing to pay more.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:10 am to Broski
If you think you're worth more than you are but the market doesn't agree, you're definitely out of touch and clueless.
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