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re: Why do pro athletes and the media thinks it's appropriate to bitch abt money?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:10 am to rintintin
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:10 am to rintintin
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It's why I've always liked college sports more than pro, but it's now creeping into college too.
No one cares what you like.
NFL players have every right to publicly campaign for more money if they feel underpaid. It’s hurting literally no one.
Also, it’s ignorant to compare being an NFL player with being an accountant like so many in this thread are trying to do.
Furthermore, most of you are projecting because you’re poor and you hate your life, and you want everyone else to be as miserable as you are.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:17 am to H-Town Tiger
Then they should be looking to reduce rookie contracts to 2 years for everyone. As it is NFL teams can drop anyone on a rookie contract at any time and just be out what has been paid and signing bonus right? That way some who have shown good ability can capitalize on it sooner and the ones who haven’t can settle to where their level is.
The fact that NFL teams get to take the best producing years for so many positions at a discount rate should be what they are fighting.
The fact that NFL teams get to take the best producing years for so many positions at a discount rate should be what they are fighting.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:19 am to rintintin
Because they are tone deaf.
It's like Lebron crying about slavery.
It's like Lebron crying about slavery.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:19 am to rintintin
You would think they would be sheepish about how much money they make, to "relate" to the average fan who basically pays their salary.
Or not wanting to add pressure to perform when the public knows and can judge your performance to salary and label you a bum.
But they revel in talking about it.
There used to be a rule taught growing up: you don't talk about money and you certainly don't boast about your own wealth.
But athlete culture is about flaunting it to their peers.
Or not wanting to add pressure to perform when the public knows and can judge your performance to salary and label you a bum.
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But they revel in talking about it.
There used to be a rule taught growing up: you don't talk about money and you certainly don't boast about your own wealth.
But athlete culture is about flaunting it to their peers.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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It’s not really a free market though, they are negotiating with just 1 team. Some other team may be willing to pay more.
If they can't come to an agreement with that one team, then they become free agents and can negotiate with everyone. The ones who haven't reached a deal are getting franchised likely and making top 10 type salary.
It's not as simple as I made it of course, but I think the position being devauled is really the basis for all these issues. Rookie contracts are team friendly at all positions, but when those run out, RBs don't get paid going forward because the teams can just draft a new good one in the 3rd or 5th round next year.
Top WRs arent getting franchised as much because they have value, same with QBs. Just how the league is right now. Could change in 5 more years
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:30 am to sorantable
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No one cares what you like.
NFL players have every right to publicly campaign for more money if they feel underpaid. It’s hurting literally no one.
Also, it’s ignorant to compare being an NFL player with being an accountant like so many in this thread are trying to do.
Furthermore, most of you are projecting because you’re poor and you hate your life, and you want everyone else to be as miserable as you are.
Great post. Lots of substance.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:38 am to tzimme4
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Because the NFL made 12 BILLION dollars in national profit last year
And tax free..
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:39 am to rintintin
quote:Because the fans also eat it up.
The entitlement with these people is off the charts, and the media eats it up.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:40 am to rintintin
quote:Whether they're correct or wrong is not my argument, but I will say, it does not matter one bit how much money you make, if you feel like you're underpaid and not getting market value, you won't be happy and rightfully so if you actually are paid under market value.
You have RB's who have made $40-50 million in career earnings bitching about the drastic measures they may take b/c their position is unfairly compensated
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:19 pm to shel311
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Whether they're correct or wrong is not my argument, but I will say, it does not matter one bit how much money you make, if you feel like you're underpaid and not getting market value, you won't be happy and rightfully so if you actually are paid under market value.
This I agree with. I don't know why people think a lot of money gives you this newfound perspective on life. I'm sure most athletes understand how fortunate they are, but if you feel like you're being treated unfairly, you're going to be angry about it.
If you make $150k or so, that's good money pretty much anywhere in the country. If someone in your company makes $200k and you feel you contribute just as much to the bottom line as they do, you're going to feel like you're being treated unfairly. You're not going to say "well I make good money, I'll just leave it be." We're not wired like that.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:20 pm to Goldrush25
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I'm sure most athletes understand how fortunate they are
Wholeheartedly disagree with this.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:25 pm to rintintin
I have long said WHY do we know what any of the athletes make?
We cant talk about our own co-workers but its nonstop in the media.
We cant talk about our own co-workers but its nonstop in the media.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:32 pm to PassingThrough
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Then they should be looking to reduce rookie contracts to 2 years for everyone.
That’s about what it should be… it doesn’t take four years to find out guys can or can’t play
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:41 pm to rintintin
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And I never said they should. But maybe keep your mouth shut to the public?
I could see that, but with the NFL, everyone's salary/contracts are made VERY public through the media and those contracts directly reflect what the players should expect to be paid based on their position for the NFL market.
So while I understand the CEO analogy, I don't think it's a completely accurate comparison considering NFL contracts exist in their own vacuum/market among the 32 teams and no one else.
Also, I would imagine they were negotiating through their agents and didn't like the results, so they went to social media with it since they were dissatisfied.
I disagree with the way these players portraying the running back position as all important (because it's not) and that somehow you need to be elite at that position to win championships (because you don't), but I'm not offended that millionaires are trying to get paid what they perceive themselves to be worth.
At the end of the day, these RB's bitching on social media are in for a rude awakening because teams can find players for the same position for MUCH cheaper without a considerable drop off in production (or go the Billy Beane route and accumulate those results in the aggregate with 2-3 much cheaper RB's)
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:42 pm to Buckeye06
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Just because Jerry was dumb and overvalued one player doesn't mean all GMs are doing that. Most are looking at the RBs in the league and saying, I can pay this guy less than I can pay the top WR on my team. If the RB doesn't want to accept less, and the GM thinks he can let that RB go and find a free agent, that's perfectly in his rights to do so.
If a RB is a can't miss guy, he will get paid
100% agree.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:51 pm to shel311
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Whether they're correct or wrong is not my argument, but I will say, it does not matter one bit how much money you make, if you feel like you're underpaid and not getting market value, you won't be happy and rightfully so if you actually are paid under market value
I haven't said anywhere that they shouldn't be able to negotiate what they think is their value. But doing so publicly is ridiculous IMO.
And the market is speaking right now about their value. It's lower than they think.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:55 pm to VaeVictus
frick outta here with this. Saquan Barkley is not easy to replace for the Giants. He accounted for almost a 1/3rd of their total yards and TDs. Some random RB would not be that productive.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:10 pm to ChiGator
The quality of Barkley isn’t in question IMHO. The amount of tread left on the tires is.
I questioned them drafting him at #2 overall when they did, not because he was a bad player but because RBs have such a short shelf life and the Giants notoriously neglected their line for years in favor of getting skill players.
I questioned them drafting him at #2 overall when they did, not because he was a bad player but because RBs have such a short shelf life and the Giants notoriously neglected their line for years in favor of getting skill players.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:11 pm to VADawg
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Wholeheartedly disagree with this.
Why do you disagree? I don't want to speak for you specifically, but I think people are under this idea that pro athletes should just never complain about anything, and if they do they're ungrateful for what they have.
People make a lot of money and experience some of the same problems that you or I have. They still hate their co-workers, they hate their boss. They see others make more undeservedly. Do people think those things go away with money? Or if you reach a certain earnings threshold you should just stop complaining about anything because "look how much you make."
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 1:13 pm
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