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re: Why do people care if ND is in a conference?
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:53 pm to lionward2014
Posted on 12/4/25 at 12:53 pm to lionward2014
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They are all not playing in their conference championship game.
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What's the excuse for TAMU
I'll let you think about this one a little.
If Tulane winning their championship against a nobody holds enough weight to put them in then ND not being forced to play a Championship game should hold enough weight to keep them out.
Its just as ridiculous for ND to get an auto bid without playing a CCG than it is for Tulane to somehow get an auto bid.
CCG can't hold that much weight but also that little. You have to pick one.
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:13 pm to RemouladeSawce
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Even if it’s an average conference, it’s a completely different world when you play the same teams constantly.
they play 6 ACC games, every year (with Stanford being every year)
USC is an annual opponent (Big Ten)
Navy is a permanent opponent (AAC).
so 5 rotating and 3 permanent opponents.
that basically an 8 team "conference" schedule as far as regularity goes.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:17 pm to Dantheman504
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What's the excuse for TAMU
I'll let you think about this one a little.
Did I miss where they got subbed into the SECCG?
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If Tulane winning their championship against a nobody holds enough weight
A G5 champion shouldn't get an auto-bid, I agree.
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Its just as ridiculous for ND to get an auto bid without playing a CCG
Would be ridiculous, good thing they don't.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:24 pm to jlovel7
I am tired of their being treated like a one team conference. They have been getting preferential treatment for decades.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:35 pm to jlovel7
The answer to the question is pretty simple and it’s not even totally about Notre Dame. Last year they were a good football team and deserved to be in either way. But if you get the same results and they’re an ACC member it keeps Clemson or SMU (or maybe both) out of the playoff for a better team.
This year ND is a bubble team, but they’re likely to get in. Partly because of their brand and partly because of their schedule. And I’m not even saying being in the ACC would have increased their conference schedule, but if they hadn’t have made an ACC championship game that’s another blemish on their resume. If they win in that situation, they’re in and another shitty team isn’t, and if they lose they eliminate themselves.
They just make the whole thing convoluted and give themselves an advantage by being independent.
This year ND is a bubble team, but they’re likely to get in. Partly because of their brand and partly because of their schedule. And I’m not even saying being in the ACC would have increased their conference schedule, but if they hadn’t have made an ACC championship game that’s another blemish on their resume. If they win in that situation, they’re in and another shitty team isn’t, and if they lose they eliminate themselves.
They just make the whole thing convoluted and give themselves an advantage by being independent.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:56 pm to jlovel7
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Why do people care if ND is in a conference
1. They will never have to play the extra game (CCG) so theu automatically get extra rest and never risk losing a CCG that might knock them out of the playoff
That alone is reason enough force them
Posted on 12/4/25 at 1:58 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I tire of this entire argument. If there is an advantage to being Independent there is nothing stopping Alabama, Texas, OSU, etc. from leaving their conference and going Independent.
Truth is ND year in/year out probably plays a more demanding schedule when you factor in the national travel schedule and taking on a variety of different types of teams.
We're seeing that in the Big Ten right now, how difficult it is for the West teams to play in the East/Midwest and the East/Midwest teams to travel to the West Coast.
National travel matters and it takes a toll. ND has been doing it for decades.
The irony is that ND is getting blasted for playing a weak schedule when the contributing factor to that weak schedule is because of their deal with the ACC. If they just joined the ACC the schedule would be even weaker.
Truth is ND year in/year out probably plays a more demanding schedule when you factor in the national travel schedule and taking on a variety of different types of teams.
We're seeing that in the Big Ten right now, how difficult it is for the West teams to play in the East/Midwest and the East/Midwest teams to travel to the West Coast.
National travel matters and it takes a toll. ND has been doing it for decades.
The irony is that ND is getting blasted for playing a weak schedule when the contributing factor to that weak schedule is because of their deal with the ACC. If they just joined the ACC the schedule would be even weaker.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:32 pm to jlovel7
Because they play cakewalk schedules and never have a conference title game to possibly stub their toe. That’s why
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:32 pm to SoDakHawk
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If there is an advantage to being Independent there is nothing stopping Alabama, Texas, OSU, etc. from leaving their conference and going Independent.
If it were that easy, they’re absolutely would. There’s financial ramifications of leaving their current conference and you can’t just turn a national tv deal on overnight. It’s not nearly as simple as you’re laying it out here.
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The irony is that ND is getting blasted for playing a weak schedule when the contributing factor to that weak schedule is because of their deal with the ACC. If they just joined the ACC the schedule would be even weaker.
I don’t disagree with this. Their yearly schedule isn’t my qualm, it’s the entire situation it puts everyone else in. It’s really a 10 team playoff (for spots) with ND and the G5 representative
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:47 pm to SoDakHawk
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I tire of this entire argument. If there is an advantage to being Independent there is nothing stopping Alabama, Texas, OSU, etc. from leaving their conference and going Independent
Well until those school start leaving conferences, how bout everyone plays by the same rules and not have 1 lone outlier.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:22 pm to SoDakHawk
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I tire of this entire argument. If there is an advantage to being Independent there is nothing stopping Alabama, Texas, OSU, etc. from leaving their conference and going Independent.
The Longhorn Network was 100% laying the ground work for Texas to go independent in football and ESPN lost money on it.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 4:00 pm to BamaDude06
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I tire of this entire argument. If there is an advantage to being Independent there is nothing stopping Alabama, Texas, OSU, etc. from leaving their conference and going Independent.
If you could go independent and survive, you’d do it. Notre Dame can. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc can’t
Posted on 12/4/25 at 4:10 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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Well until those school start leaving conferences, how bout everyone plays by the same rules and not have 1 lone outlier.
Notre Dame has been independent … forever? Why should they now bend the knee because you don’t like it?
Get rid of the conference championships and it’s moot.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 4:31 pm to GentleJackJones
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Notre Dame has been independent … forever? Why should they now bend the knee because you don’t like it?
It doesnt matter what I like. You asked for thoughts and I gave mine. I Think all the schools should play by the same set of rules and be in a conference. I don’t think one single school should be the exception. There are potential competitive advantages to not having to play and not risking a loss in an extra game. I might be misremembering but didn’t Georgia lose their QB in the SECCG last year then had to play ND in the playoffs with a backup?
You don’t have to agree, i don’t give a frick
Posted on 12/4/25 at 4:41 pm to lionward2014
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ETA: Next year it is 6 ACC, 4 Big 10, and 2 AAC
Holy shite their schedule next year is one of the worst I've ever seen. Three of the worst Big 10 teams (wisc, purdue, MSU), three of the worst ACC (Stanford, Cuse, BC). Then auto wins against Rice & Navy. That's 8 auto wins right there and that's not taking into account the UNC game
Posted on 12/4/25 at 5:10 pm to zzgobucky
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Holy shite their schedule next year is one of the worst I've ever seen. Three of the worst Big 10 teams (wisc, purdue, MSU), three of the worst ACC (Stanford, Cuse, BC). Then auto wins against Rice & Navy. That's 8 auto wins right there and that's not taking into account the UNC game
And this is why people bitch about them. They get to 10-2 and they’re basically in.
Back when they started 0-2 people were saying don’t have to worry about ND this year and I called BS. After their first two games they had a cream puff schedule.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 5:18 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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1. They will never have to play the extra game (CCG) so theu automatically get extra rest and never risk losing a CCG that might knock them out of the playoff
A lot of teams in the conversation every year don’t have to play a CCG
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:15 pm to jlovel7
Because we don't like to kiss the Dame's arse. They don't play a title game, play a weaker schedule and get an auto bid if they go 10-2.
Posted on 12/4/25 at 11:16 pm to deltadummy
When you schedule years out in advance, how do you really know what your SOS will be 7-10 years later? All you can do is schedule historically strong programs.
ND has a few of those they play. USC should be good. Michigan State is historically a solid program. Navy, you give ND crap for scheduling Navy? You need to take a history of CFB class and learn why ND plays Navy every year.
Every conference has power teams and has duds. Try to predict that years out. Who would think Indiana would be this good 5 years ago? Who would think Florida or Florida State would be this bad 5 years ago?
Don't tell me, "they don't play anybody" when that is really a moving target from year to year.
ND has a few of those they play. USC should be good. Michigan State is historically a solid program. Navy, you give ND crap for scheduling Navy? You need to take a history of CFB class and learn why ND plays Navy every year.
Every conference has power teams and has duds. Try to predict that years out. Who would think Indiana would be this good 5 years ago? Who would think Florida or Florida State would be this bad 5 years ago?
Don't tell me, "they don't play anybody" when that is really a moving target from year to year.
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