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Posted on 8/14/14 at 7:48 am to shel311
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I'd love to see that list.
Why? You guys wouldn't accept it. Baseball just started 20 years ago to a lot of you in this thread.
Steve Carlton's 72 season is the most impressive season ever by a pitcher. Carlton led the majors with 27 wins for a team that won a total of 59 games. That means he was responsible for 46 percent of the Phils’ victories. Aside from the wins, he led the league with a 1.97 ERA and 310 strikeouts.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 7:52 am to Zamoro10
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1) What is/defines actual "best" - considering Nolan pitched at a high level for a long time compared to Pedro...
This. Why do people handicapp Ryan for his longevity? They always point to "this guy had a better 3 years that Ryan ever did."
Doing it for one or two seasons is pretty good. Doing it for 27 is amazing.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 7:55 am to elprez00
lol at anyone who would pick ryan over pedro.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:01 am to elprez00
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Doing it for 27 is amazing.
And Maddux won 15 games or more for 17 years in a row!
I like Pedro and all but he is not a top ten all time pitcher. He had a few great years and yes he is a HOF'er but to crown him as the best? He's top 20 pitcher though.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:03 am to elprez00
quote:Please go take a look at Pedro's stats
Doing it for one or two seasons is pretty good. Doing it for 27 is amazing.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:04 am to offshoretrash
quote:Name 10 better.
I like Pedro and all but he is not a top ten all time pitcher.
Eta: And spare me the bullshite about "people thinking baseball started 20 years ago." It's a cop out when comparing recent greatness to greatness 30+ years ago.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 8:06 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:07 am to elprez00
quote:What does this have to do with Pedro Martinez?
Doing it for one or two seasons is pretty good. Doing it for 27 is amazing
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:24 am to OneMoreTime
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Name 10 better.
Walter Johnson
Cy Young
Greg Maddux
Randy Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn
Bob Gibson
Roger Clemons
Sandy Koufax
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:27 am to offshoretrash
quote:
Name 10 better. Walter Johnson Cy Young Greg Maddux Randy Johnson Christy Mathewson Tom Seaver Warren Spahn Bob Gibson Roger Clemons Sandy Koufax
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:32 am to Patton
Nolan..
Dude played on some bad teams but had a very productive career.
Nolan career (27 years
) : 3.19 ERA with 5714 Ks
Pedro career (18 years): 2.93 ERA with 3154 Ks
Nolan was 8-16 one year with a league leading 2.76 ERA.
Dude played on some bad teams but had a very productive career.
Nolan career (27 years
) : 3.19 ERA with 5714 Ks Pedro career (18 years): 2.93 ERA with 3154 Ks
Nolan was 8-16 one year with a league leading 2.76 ERA.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 8:34 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:38 am to FAF
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Dude played on some bad teams but had a very productive career.
In 27 years he had only one year with a ERA over 4.00 and that was his last year when he was 46 years old. He had 8 seasons with an ERA under 3 with his last one coming at the age of 44!
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:44 am to Patton
Pedro was the better pitcher...Ryan had the better career
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:47 am to LL012697
How in the hell is this thread on 9 pages 
. It should have been done after page 1. Pedro Martinez is one of the greatest, if not the greatest R/H pitchers to ever live and his peak is nearly untouchable. The two really arent in the same conversation, much less the same sentence.
. It should have been done after page 1. Pedro Martinez is one of the greatest, if not the greatest R/H pitchers to ever live and his peak is nearly untouchable. The two really arent in the same conversation, much less the same sentence.Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:51 am to offshoretrash
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How old are you? There have been 10 to 15 better pitchers than Pedro. Bob Gibson's 1968 season is one of the all time greats. He pitched 100 more innings, threw 13 shut outs, 28 complete games and an ERA of 1.12.
The get off my lawn argument.
Saw the list, not impressed.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 8:54 am to FAF
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Nolan.. Dude played on some bad teams but had a very productive career. Nolan career (27 years ) : 3.19 ERA with 5714 Ks Pedro career (18 years): 2.93 ERA with 3154 Ks Nolan was 8-16 one year with a league leading 2.76 ERA.
Pedro Martinez had a 7 year peak from 97-03 in which he AVERAGED...
2.20 ERA
213 ERA+
0.94 WHIP
11.4 K/9
7 years. That's absolutely insane. Not to mention it occured right through the heart and height of the steroid era. In 2000, arguably Pedro's best season he had a 1.74 ERA, 284 K's, 291 ERA+, .73 WHIP.
Nolan Ryan's 7 year peak from 72-78. (or 7 greatest seasons in succession)
3.01 ERA
115 ERA+
1.30 WHIP
10.1 K/9
They really werent even close to the same pitcher, sorry guys.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:01 am to Jcorye1
quote:
The get off my lawn argument.
Saw the list, not impressed.
The I didn't see it, so it isn't legit argument.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:03 am to offshoretrash
quote:
Walter Johnson
Cy Young
Greg Maddux
Randy Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Tom Seaver
Warren Spahn
Bob Gibson
Roger Clemons
Sandy Koufax
By what metric(s)? I'm genuinely interested in seeing that argument
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:07 am to offshoretrash
Context plays a huge role in comparing statistics from different eras, leagues, and ballparks. Everyone arguing for Ryan has been completely dismissive of those stats because they believe they are more baseball savvy than those "worthless" advanced metrics.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:09 am to Louie T
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Context plays a huge role in comparing statistics from different eras, leagues, and ballparks.
If only there was a stat to measure precisely that...
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