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re: Who do you think some of the biggest sleeping giants in CFB are?
Posted on 8/17/24 at 6:15 pm to TigersGeaux001
Posted on 8/17/24 at 6:15 pm to TigersGeaux001
Arizona State. A giant party school in a major city suburb that sits between California and Texas. There's no reason why they should be as bad as they are
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Posted on 8/17/24 at 6:22 pm to WestCoastAg
Arkansas did get top 20 Texas prospect Selma Bridges last year. Got top 20 Alabama prospects kJ Jackson and Bradley Shaw.
This year so far got top 10 Georgia prospect Tavion Wallace which was a shocker.
This year so far got top 10 Georgia prospect Tavion Wallace which was a shocker.
Posted on 8/17/24 at 6:36 pm to Bama Bird
Terrible fan support.
Posted on 8/17/24 at 6:38 pm to dchog
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Terrible fan support.
I have to imagine they'd show up if the program started winning, and it's not like Phoenix has fierce competition as far as sports goes. If Miami can do it, I see no reason why ASU can't
Posted on 8/17/24 at 7:04 pm to Bama Bird
The state of Arizona has bad sports at both college and pro levels. A good coach can win in Arizona but will be limited due to lack of fan support. The elite sports programs have the best and largest fan support systems.
Posted on 8/17/24 at 7:28 pm to TigerRoyale
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Harvard. Their endowment is off the charts.
But then they play 7 Ivy League schools… half of your worth as a program is who you play
Arkansas at least plays Alabama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, and now Texas and Oklahoma, but they haven’t been competitive against them in a long time
This post was edited on 8/17/24 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:10 pm to WaterLink
If any coach besides Petrino was on those 2010/2011 teams like Pittman, Bert and Morris then they would go 8-4/7-5.
Arkansas went from high level competence with Petrino to lazy drunk and then a complete idiot and finally a clueless Pittman.
Arkansas went from high level competence with Petrino to lazy drunk and then a complete idiot and finally a clueless Pittman.
Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:13 pm to chalmetteowl
Arkansas has had 10 games the last two years decided by 7 points or less.
If Pittman could have won half of those games, he wouldn't be close at all to being fired this year.
If Pittman could have won half of those games, he wouldn't be close at all to being fired this year.
This post was edited on 8/17/24 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:19 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I’ve always thought if Mississippi had one P5 school like Louisiana it would be an absolute powerhouse like LSU. They split up enough of the talent along with LSU/Bama/Auburn etc poaching it
Right but why can’t one or both Miss schools be good? Miss has as much talent as Alabama. And there are two football schools in Alabama. Why are the Miss schools so much worse off?
Posted on 8/17/24 at 8:44 pm to TigersGeaux001
Has nobody mentioned Auburn?
if bammer can become bammer, why can't auburn with the right coach and NIL ?
if bammer can become bammer, why can't auburn with the right coach and NIL ?
Posted on 8/18/24 at 12:22 am to TigersGeaux001
Syracuse
Posted on 8/18/24 at 10:16 am to Bama Bird
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I have to imagine they'd show up if the program started winning, and it's not like Phoenix has fierce competition as far as sports goes. If Miami can do it, I see no reason why ASU can't
As I said in a previous post, it doesn’t work this way anymore. Money is too important to winning nowadays. Miami could win in the ‘80s and ‘90s because coaching staff pay wasn’t through the roof, nice stadiums and facilities weren’t that important, and it was more common for players to stay close to home.
To win big and consistently in 2024 (and really the last 15 years or so) you have to invest beforehand like Alabama did with Saban.
IMO, there are no sleeping giants in 2024. You have about 15 programs with the resources to win consistently. What mainly separates them is who wins the musical chairs game and gets the right coach when they are looking for one.
Posted on 8/18/24 at 12:34 pm to TigersGeaux001
Texas
Most underachieving program in college football history by a HUUUUUUUUUUGE margin.
Most underachieving program in college football history by a HUUUUUUUUUUGE margin.
Posted on 8/18/24 at 12:50 pm to holdmuh keystonelite
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Have any of you ever been to Blacksburg? Not exactly an area big time recruits will want to flock to. Also they don't have the huge donors that other bigger programs have. The facilities are nice but nothing outstanding. They have pretty much reached their potential already and couldn't sustain it. VT will get good recruits here and there but will never be able to load up on them to be considered a sleeping giant.
Blacksburg is nothing special to your average recruit but neither is Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Clemson, College Station, etc. Where I see VT as having significantly higher potential is in a hypothetical where UVA takes their academics to the B10 and the SEC adds VT to grab that market. VT is now the closest SEC school for DC/Maryland/Northern Virginia recruits, plus the Norfolk/VABeach areas where VT has long had a pipeline. Fill in the class with a few from NC a couple hours down the road and you are looking pretty good. I’m not saying they have LSU or UGA level sleeping giant potential but they and Penn St are the only schools along the entire atlantic coast from NC north who truly care about football and want to win national titles.
This post was edited on 8/18/24 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/18/24 at 6:07 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Blacksburg is nothing special to your average recruit but neither is Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Clemson, College Station, etc. Where I see VT as having significantly higher potential is in a hypothetical where UVA takes their academics to the B10 and the SEC adds VT to grab that market. VT is now the closest SEC school for DC/Maryland/Northern Virginia recruits, plus the Norfolk/VABeach areas where VT has long had a pipeline. Fill in the class with a few from NC a couple hours down the road and you are looking pretty good. I’m not saying they have LSU or UGA level sleeping giant potential but they and Penn St are the only schools along the entire atlantic coast from NC north who truly care about football and want to win national titles.
I just don't see it. VT has only had five, 5 star recruits all time. And just as a comparison a team like WVU who has just as passionate fan base but no where near the in state talent has had four 5 star recruits all time. Something about Blacksburg just doesn't attract big time recruits. I don't see how going to the SEC will completely change that enough to make a difference in becoming a power.
This post was edited on 8/18/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 8/18/24 at 6:29 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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I always thought Pitt should be a powerhouse with the players they’ve had over the years.
Lots of in state talent
Nah.Even though the state has maintained its population and even grown slightly over the last 30 years the amount of talent has shrunk drastically and PSU is always gonna be the better choice.
The state produced a grand total of 4 blue chips in '24.
Unbelievable when you think of all the talent produced in the '70's and 80's
This post was edited on 8/18/24 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 8/18/24 at 6:33 pm to RD Dawg
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Nah.Even thought the state has maintained its population and even grown slightly over the last 30 years the amount of talent has shrunk drastically and PSU is always gonna be the better choice.
The state produced a grand total of 4 blue chips in '24.
Unbelievable when you think of all the talent produced in the '70's and 80's
That and Pitts fan base is pretty bad. WVU which is only an hour away also routinely gets recruits that Pitt are after.
Posted on 8/18/24 at 6:48 pm to Boodis Man
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Has nobody mentioned Auburn?
Can't disagree.
Alabama is continuing to grow and has huge HSFB participation rate and producing more and more D1 talent and they're obviously an hour away from top 3 metro recruiting area in Atlanta.
Great fan support along with sugar daddies like Tim Cook and the yella wood fatass.
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bammer can become bammer, why can't auburn
Never gonna happen but there's no reason they can't make runs 3 or 4 times a decade.
Posted on 8/18/24 at 7:43 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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I always thought Pitt should be a powerhouse with the players they’ve had over the years.
Pitt intentionally committed football suicide after Jackie Sherrill left in the early 80’s.
They had a new chancellor come in around that time that hated athletics and didn’t want anything to do with paying coaches what it looked like the new era would bring. Sherrill left for A&M with the first ever million dollar contract.
The attitude about sports lasted until the mid 90’s when they brought back Johnny Majors and had to try and undo 15 years of zero commitment and upgrades to the program. It was actually pretty sad to see.
Posted on 8/18/24 at 8:46 pm to AZTiger7072
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They are good in every other sport.
Nah.
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