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re: Which players in the NFL HOF wouldn't be there without the Super Bowl victories?

Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:23 pm to
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But he wasn't and he ushered the NFL into the modern era as a result. Before him, the National Football League was consistently outdone by Major League Baseball and even college football. He helped change that with his play both on and off the field.

You can definitely argue that his play wasn't good enough to warrant a Hall of Fame induction. I wouldn't argue with you either. However, what he did for the sport warrants recognition and a permanent place in Canton IMHO.


Its true. Namath is still one of the biggest stars in NFL history. Go to Canton and they've got a hologram of him welcoming visitors to the hall.
Posted by BlackCoffeeKid
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:27 pm to
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Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:30 pm to
Namath is a prime example of stats not being so important. He was the 1st true media driven superstar in pro football. He was must see tv when he played.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:46 pm to
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Roger Craig was better than Joe Montana


Craig certainly was a main component of that engine.

Montana was flat out incredible in the 49ers ‘88 and ‘89 post season runs. Six games, 19 TD passes, 1 INT, and I’m not sure if any fumbles lost. Passer rating over 100 in all six games, and completion percentage of 70 or higher in all three games of the ‘89 post season.

His post season performance of his last two SB runs is a HUGE reason why he’s thrown into the GOAT QB conversation, in my unprofessional opinion. Without those, he’s probably a good bit down on that list.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 2:20 pm to
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His post season performance of his last two SB runs is a HUGE reason why he’s thrown into the GOAT QB conversation,


And Brady is only in the HOAT discussion because he won a bunch of them

Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 4:21 pm to
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then everyone here better be ready to watch Lamar Jackson put on his deserved gold jacket, even if he never makes a SB or goes 0-2 in them.

Lamar is almost certainly making the HOF even if people here don’t want him too. He’s already a 2x MVP and 3x 1st team All Pro. Every eligible QB with multiple NFL MVPs is in the HOF. I’m not hundred percent certain but I think every eligible QB with 3+ 1st team All Pros is in the the HOF too.

There are a few different QBs without a SB win that are in the HOF. It’s not unusual
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Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 6:18 pm to
Outside maybe the 1st Superbowl run it was basically impossible for the 49ers to lose any of those playoff games no matter who was under center. Dominant run game, all day to throw and 6 yard passes that Rice and Craig turn to 40 yard TDs. Not to mention elite defense
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Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:16 pm to
terry bradshaw 100%
Posted by Da #1 Stunna
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 8:35 pm to
About 25% are in simply because they were good players on a great or high profile team.

They are rewarding too many guys. The Hall of Fame should be held to a ridiculously high standard and only 3-4 guys should be let in a year.
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:40 am to
Oh gee, another politician making something they had nothing to do with all about themselves--------how odd and rare an event.....
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 12:45 pm to
Len Dawson
Larry Csonka
Nick Buoniconti
Jim Langer
Terry Bradshaw
Lynn Swann
Richard Dent
Bryant Young
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 12:48 pm to
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The Hall of Fame should be held to a ridiculously high standard and only 3-4 guys should be let in a year.


Like this year?
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
1831 posts
Posted on 2/15/25 at 12:52 pm to
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But he wasn't and he ushered the NFL into the modern era as a result. Before him, the National Football League was consistently outdone by Major League Baseball and even college football. He helped change that with his play both on and off the field.

You can definitely argue that his play wasn't good enough to warrant a Hall of Fame induction. I wouldn't argue with you either. However, what he did for the sport warrants recognition and a permanent place in Canton IMHO.


I'd argue Unitas and that Colts-Giants game in 1958 really did that because of how monumental that game was nationally at the time and it set in motion events which started the AFL which then started the bidding wars and antitrust arguments which then facilitated the merger and started the Super Bowl event which expanded the NFL's TV reach nationally and internationally, Namath and Super Bowl III was really icing on the cake for what that 1958 title game meant in the grand scheme of football's rise to overtake baseball as the most popular spectator sport and modernize.

Nevertheless, Super Bowl III guaranteed Namath's place in the Hall without question. Any other outcome other than the Jets winning that game, his HOF candidacy becomes debatable which probably means he doesn't get in until he's in his 70s.
Posted by Hayekian serf
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 1:03 pm to
Bradshaw
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Len Dawson


2 Time All Pro
Led the league in completion % eight times.
Led the league in TD passes four times.
Led the league in passer rating six times.
1962 Sporting News Player of the Year
1960s First Team All Decade Team

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Nick Buoniconti


5 time First Team All Pro
1960s First Team All Decade Team
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 2:20 pm to
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Outside maybe the 1st Superbowl run it was basically impossible for the 49ers to lose any of those playoff games no matter who was under center. Dominant run game, all day to throw and 6 yard passes that Rice and Craig turn to 40 yard TDs. Not to mention elite defense



They lost several playoff games - Joe Gibb's 83 Redskins, the 85 Bears and Buddy Ryan's defense, the 86 Giants and their great defense, the 87 Vickings, etc... Plus they had some close games where Montana saved their arse - Dwight Clark's catch against the Cowboys, both drives to beat the Bengals in the final minute of two Super Bowls.

People think of the 49ers as a dynasty but the NFC was loaded from 1980-1995 and they took their licks and stumbled into roadblocks just like everyone else. They scraped out on top when all was said and done but that was in large part thanks to Montana's clutch ability to thrive in the biggest pressure moments.
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
1831 posts
Posted on 2/15/25 at 4:21 pm to
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2 Time All Pro Led the league in completion % eight times. Led the league in TD passes four times. Led the league in passer rating six times. 1962 Sporting News Player of the Year 1960s First Team All Decade Team


He doesn’t win that Super Bowl and its MVP, does anybody know who he is?


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5 time First Team All Pro 1960s First Team All Decade Team


No-Name D made Buoniconti, they don’t have the success they have in the 70s he doesn’t endure
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 5:38 pm to
Buoniconti was a star before he came to Miami
Posted by Gen Patton
Member since Dec 2009
1831 posts
Posted on 2/15/25 at 7:27 pm to
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Buoniconti was a star before he came to Miami


I know this is hypothetical but is he a HOF lock without his Miami stint?
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 2/15/25 at 7:32 pm to
No way to know, but that trade from Boston was a big deal at the time.
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