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re: What should the Dolphins do with the #3 pick in the draft?
Posted on 12/30/20 at 1:53 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 12/30/20 at 1:53 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Calm down...... you don’t know that much about football........ just saying... you have brought up some good points in this thread but you aren’t as smart as you think you are......
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Posted on 12/30/20 at 1:56 pm to dukke v
Posted on 12/30/20 at 2:15 pm to castorinho
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Fwiw Gesicki is a horrible blocker. And Flores wants an identity of running the football. He started at #2 on the depth chart this season because of that.
Sure, but Pitts doesn't help with that
Posted on 12/30/20 at 2:18 pm to TheeRealCarolina
quote:I dont have a clue who you are but you seem like a try hard
I’m someone who clearly knows more about football, particularly the NFL than you do that’s for sure.
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h holes all over the defense
edge rush, DL, LB, safety are all areas of need
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u can link salaries all you want, but pass rushers only have value because of great tackles, great tackles have value because of great QBs.
in a salary cap league there is no better indicator of importance than pay scales by position
Posted on 12/30/20 at 2:22 pm to supatigah
quote:I think Rousseau will blow up in the NFL, but not everyone agrees. He should be the pick at #3
supatigah
Posted on 12/30/20 at 2:30 pm to LSU82BILL
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There is no guarantee that Sewell is a perennial All Pro. Dolphins drafted LT Austin Jackson @ #18 and he was a Day 1 starter. He's also younger than Sewell and his $13.6 million/4 year contract is about $22-23 million less than what Sewell would get at #2 overall. They took RT Robert Hunt in the 2nd round and he's only costing the Dolphins $8 million over 4 years. Hunt is grading out better than Jackson, #4 overall pick, Andrew Thomas and #11 overall pick Jedrick Wills. It's just stupid to draft the best player available when he's not at a position of need and that costly. Ask the LA Rams about taking an OT at #2. They drafted OT's Jason Smith and Greg Robinson at #2 overall. How would you like to be the GM that drafted those busts over Trent Williams, Taylor Lewan and Zach Martin?
I think sewell is nice but OT is pretty low on their roster needs. they have invested a ton of draft capital and investment into OL. They do need a center
I cant imagine taking LTs two years in a row 1st Rd and asking one of them to switch to RT. everything is backwards, you are taking a strength into a potential weakness and you are potentially screwing the player over in his second contract by asking him to move to RT
OT are valuable but Sewell is not as valuable to the Dolphins at #3 as he would be to say the Bengals
draft trade partners are way too early to determine right now but off the top of my head and assuming TLaw and Fields go 1-2
Bengals trade up for Sewell
panthers trade up for Wilson
lions trade stafford, trade up for Wilson
who else needs qb or an elite LT?
Posted on 12/30/20 at 2:38 pm to Rouge
I am not a dolphins fan but I have seen a few games and the glaring issue I saw on defense was pressure on the QB and covering TEs, which is pretty much 75% of the League
rousseau seems high risk/high reward for #3
I like the trade proposal of carolina trades up for Wilson and MIA moves to #9 and takes Devonta Smith. I really like Smith and think he would be a good fit if they go WR
rousseau seems high risk/high reward for #3
I like the trade proposal of carolina trades up for Wilson and MIA moves to #9 and takes Devonta Smith. I really like Smith and think he would be a good fit if they go WR
Posted on 12/30/20 at 3:07 pm to supatigah
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I am not a dolphins fan but I have seen a few games and the glaring issue I saw on defense was pressure on the QB and covering TEs, which is pretty much 75% of the League
Dolphins are top 10 in sacks and #1 in the NFL in forced turnovers and # 1 in 3rd down conversion defense. They like getting pass pressure from the DT postion so another inside or edge pass rusher for the rotation wouldn't hurt.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 3:34 pm to LSU82BILL
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Dolphins are top 10 in sacks and #1 in the NFL in forced turnovers and # 1 in 3rd down conversion defense. They like getting pass pressure from the DT postion so another inside or edge pass rusher for the rotation wouldn't hurt.
I was thinking about the Raiders game, where ogbah was in the fourth game of a four game sack dry spell and they had their hands full with TE Waller. marriota was a bad surprise matchup when carr went out, MM’s running is tough to deal with
its a good problem to have when your roster talent level shows needs at positions that are outside the typical top ten draft slots and you have a Top Three pick
MIA seems to have the brightest future of all of the up and coming teams with a bright young coach, really curious to see what they do with the boat load of draft picks over the next three years
Posted on 12/30/20 at 6:25 pm to LSU82BILL
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There is no guarantee that Sewell is a perennial All Pro.
True, but he’s the best o-line prospect since Joe Thomas for a reason.
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Dolphins drafted LT Austin Jackson @ #18 and he was a Day 1 starter
By necessity.
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He's also younger than Sewell and his $13.6 million/4 year contract is about $22-23 million less than what Sewell would get at #2 overall.
Jackson was born in 99, Sewell in 2000. Sewell would be the third pick, and even if he is only a top 10 tackle during his contract, that’s still a bargain price by any measure.
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They took RT Robert Hunt in the 2nd round and he's only costing the Dolphins $8 million over 4 years.
Okay? Hunt was projected as a guard coming out and that’s what he tested out as in the scouting process. He can easily move back to guard.
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It's just stupid to draft the best player available when he's not at a position of need and that costly.
No team can have enough quality OLinemen. Just ask Carson Wentz about linemen.
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Ask the LA Rams about taking an OT at #2. They drafted OT's Jason Smith and Greg Robinson at #2 overall. How would you like to be the GM that drafted those busts over Trent Williams, Taylor Lewan and Zach Martin?
And how is this relevant? No position is bust proof, that’s why you pick the best player with the information you have available. For the Dolphins, right now, that’s Sewell.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 7:24 pm to supatigah
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Not for the Dolphins. Have you watched any of their games this year?
We had 3 guys who are in the top 12ish blindside tackles just re up this season. AAV for them: 19, 22, and 23 million. That’s not even factoring in the deals that Ramzyck and Bolles will sign.
You can scheme a good pass rush. You can’t scheme great pass protection.
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edge rush, DL, LB, safety are all areas of need
Not for the Dolphins. Have you watched any of their games this year?
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in a salary cap league there is no better indicator of importance than pay scales by position
We had 3 guys who are in the top 12ish blindside tackles just re up this season. AAV for them: 19, 22, and 23 million. That’s not even factoring in the deals that Ramzyck and Bolles will sign.
You can scheme a good pass rush. You can’t scheme great pass protection.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 7:45 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Not for the Dolphins. Have you watched any of their games this year?
i feel like you are either really stubborn or kind of stupid
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You can scheme a good pass rush. You can’t scheme great pass protection.
definitely stupid
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:00 pm to supatigah
It’s almost unheard of to have a playoff team with a Top 3 pick, but it’s going to happen.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they take Rosseau - he’s BPA at a coveted position. They could trade down if there are suitors.
Tua is their QB of the future - he does what Flores wants right now since they have the No. 1 defense in the league. Tua doesn’t turn the ball over (unlike Fritz), and that’s why they keep starting him.
It easy to forget that Tua actually wasn’t cleared for contact until like Week 3 of the regular season. He needs a full, healthy offseason to develop.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they take Rosseau - he’s BPA at a coveted position. They could trade down if there are suitors.
Tua is their QB of the future - he does what Flores wants right now since they have the No. 1 defense in the league. Tua doesn’t turn the ball over (unlike Fritz), and that’s why they keep starting him.
It easy to forget that Tua actually wasn’t cleared for contact until like Week 3 of the regular season. He needs a full, healthy offseason to develop.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:09 pm to supatigah
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Not for the Dolphins. Have you watched any of their games this year?
i feel like you are either really stubborn or kind of stupid
Says the guy who says the number 1 defense in football has holes all over it.
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You can scheme a good pass rush. You can’t scheme great pass protection.
definitely stupid
So again you know nothing about football. Great.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:12 pm to Billy Mays
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wouldn’t be surprised if they take Rosseau - he’s BPA at a coveted position. They could trade down if there are suitors.
I want to believe this kid is going to be great, but he literally only played one season of football and who knows what he’s been doing since he opted out. He could be Jason Taylor, he could be Dion Jordan.
He’ll definitely light up the combine if he’s kept himself together.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:19 pm to supatigah
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it is terrible value for the #3 pick
not for an OT prospect Sewell
elite OT prospects have a low bust rate and creating an elite OL is always +EV, regardless of prior investment (see: the trade that got them this pick)
sewell is also insurance if Tua is a bust and they have to go QB next year
don't over complicate things and get clever. make the easy pick, especially with another 1st and an extra, early 2nd
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:29 pm to supatigah
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or just a troll?
Only an absentee admin would ask this question about that poster.Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
if you havent read the thread you should read the whole thing
everything you said has been covered and then some
they have already revamped their OL, drafting another OT is not even a luxury, it is gluttony and would be expensive at #3
i get the OT value piece, if they had not already drafted OT Jackson, extended RT Davis, drafted OT Hunt, signed G Flowers then Sewell is a no brainer
the only hole in the OL is at center
RT Davis is their best OL, you draft another OT you are sitting Jackson
or you draft Sewell, you are sitting Davis and asking either Sewell or Jackson to change positions?
draft sewell and trade jackson or davis?
none of that is necessary when there are other moves that make more sense
with three top QBs and an elite OT there will trade partners for #3
hell the dolphins could try to package Tua and #3 to get to #1 and take TLaw
everything you said has been covered and then some
they have already revamped their OL, drafting another OT is not even a luxury, it is gluttony and would be expensive at #3
i get the OT value piece, if they had not already drafted OT Jackson, extended RT Davis, drafted OT Hunt, signed G Flowers then Sewell is a no brainer
the only hole in the OL is at center
RT Davis is their best OL, you draft another OT you are sitting Jackson
or you draft Sewell, you are sitting Davis and asking either Sewell or Jackson to change positions?
draft sewell and trade jackson or davis?
none of that is necessary when there are other moves that make more sense
with three top QBs and an elite OT there will trade partners for #3
hell the dolphins could try to package Tua and #3 to get to #1 and take TLaw
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:44 pm to James11111
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Only an absentee admin would ask this question about that poster.
I was being nice
Posted on 12/30/20 at 8:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Exactly. Not taking Sewell at #3 is the definition of overthinking things.
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