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re: What if TCU was 4th and Ohio State was left out?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:07 am to KosmoCramer
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:07 am to KosmoCramer
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Moving TCU to 3rd was a very bad move.
I don't really have any issue with it.
It's certainly the key moment of the committee's tenure in which many fans are being dragged kicking and screaming out of the logic of the old AP poll.
It strongly emphasized the committee's promise that teams would be able to move up the polls by Addition to their resumes and not just wait for teams above them to fall by Subtraction from theirs.
Well, sort of strongly, since they did water it down by repeating a million times that difference was "razor thin" between #3 and #6.
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:07 am to taylork37
quote:Well, the fact we are the top P5 conference by computers and you are the weakest, and 7/8 national titles kinda help too. But sure, we will just blame ESPN
SEC is treated just as well if not better by the media than the B1G. ESPN drives that agenda.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:12 am to ohmdawg
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Do you truly think tOSU with its third string quarterback is a real top four team in an honest assessment?
I don't know how you can say they aren't if you watched the game against Wisky.
quote:Are you so sure TCU/Baylor wouldn't have worse odds? FSU is +8 at Oregon. Is that much better?
Vegas doesn't think so what's the line 10+
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
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Well, the fact we are the top P5 conference by computers and you are the weakest, and 7/8 national titles kinda help too. But sure, we will just blame ESPN
I'm not arguing its unfair for ESPN to go where the money is, I am simply commenting on the almost guaranteed media bias if the situation was flipped.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:26 am to taylork37
quote:And I agreed
I'm not arguing its unfair for ESPN to go where the money is, I am simply commenting on the almost guaranteed media bias if the situation was flipped.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:36 am to wm72
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It strongly emphasized the committee's promise that teams would be able to move up the polls by Addition to their resumes and not just wait for teams above them to fall by Subtraction from theirs.
Ohio State may have added to its resume this weekend, but FSU certainly didn't and IMO they subtracted from it. Furthermore, TCU certainly didn't subtract from its resume.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:44 am to trackfan
Maybe this convinces the committee to hold off on releasing any poll until after all the games are played.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:46 am to pvilleguru
quote:Will never happen. Too much $$$ involved for ESPN to give up that Tuesday night broadcast.
Maybe this convinces the committee to hold off on releasing any poll until after all the games are played.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:07 pm to trackfan
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Ohio State may have added to its resume this weekend, but FSU certainly didn't and IMO they subtracted from it. Furthermore, TCU certainly didn't subtract from its resume.
lolwut? Florida State beat 2 loss top 15 Georgia Tech who just came off of a win against top 10 Georgia. TCU beat a team with 2 wins.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:38 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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What if TCU was 4th and Ohio State was left out?
Woulda been shite. Baylor beat them. Head to head is the tiebreaker in every league for a reason, and there is a reason that the Big 12 uses head-to-head as a tiebreaker to determine who goes to Sugar Bowl against the SEC in non-playoff years, or alternatively to a NewYears6 bowl. It's cause head to head makes sense.
This decision should have only been about Baylor vs. Ohio State.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:44 pm to TheSexecutioner
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lolwut? Florida State beat 2 loss top 15 Georgia Tech who just came off of a win against top 10 Georgia
There was nothing convincing about that win.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:18 pm to taylork37
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What if TCU was 4th and Ohio State was left out?
Then Ohio State would be playing in another bowl. There would also be discussions as well about how we should've been in, yadda, yadda, yadda.
It was a no-win for any of the 3 schools, because all three deserved to have a shot. No matter where you cut it off, someone is getting screwed. Might be a blessing for TCU and Baylor, our consolation is we get to play SEC power Alabama!
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:40 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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4 spots for 5 conferences
conferences are irrelevant
every team is an independent in this discussion
Posted on 12/9/14 at 4:09 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
I'm just happy baylor didn't get in. I think any of the 4 teams in right now can win it all, but baylor would have gotten their asses destroyed. No one wants to see that.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 4:16 pm to pvilleguru
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Maybe this convinces the committee to hold off on releasing any poll until after all the games are played.
this makes no sense. If anything, this final poll showed that poll intertia is not a serious risk with this committee. he reason peple oppose early polls is because it locks teams at the top so long as they don't lose. The committee proved they were re-evaluate resumes on a week to week basis, and thus there is no harm to the early polls.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:57 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
All the delusional rich kids in Fort Worth would think they are about to skull frick bama, and when they didn't, it would be a continuation of the far reaching media conspiracy against them
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:46 pm to Baloo
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this makes no sense. If anything, this final poll showed that poll intertia is not a serious risk with this committee. he reason peple oppose early polls is because it locks teams at the top so long as they don't lose. The committee proved they were re-evaluate resumes on a week to week basis, and thus there is no harm to the early polls.
I disagree. The Committee had already proved that it was immune to poll inertia when it debuted FSU at #2, dropped them to #3 after they struggled to beat Louisville and Virginia and dropped them to #4 after they struggled to beat Miami, Boston College and Florida. By jumping FSU over TCU after it struggled to beat Georgia Tech, the Committee showed that it was also schizophrenic. I think Brad Edwards nailed it yesterday when he said that the Committee believes in its heart of hearts that FSU isn't one of the best four teams in the nation, but at the last minute, it didn't have the courage to leave an undefeated defending national champion out of the playoffs due to the media firestorm such a move would have created.
EDIT: In retrospect, the Committee should have just locked in FSU at #1 until they lost if they weren't open to the idea of leaving an undefeated national champion out of the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:07 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
This is all fun to talk about but it really does not matter .Bama will kill Ohio State and would have killed atCU had they made it.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:15 pm to trackfan
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It strongly emphasized the committee's promise that teams would be able to move up the polls by Addition to their resumes and not just wait for teams above them to fall by Subtraction from theirs.
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Ohio State may have added to its resume this weekend, but FSU certainly didn't and IMO they subtracted from it. Furthermore, TCU certainly didn't subtract from its resume.
If, as the committee claimed, TCU and FSU were practically in a dead heat before Saturday you can certainly make the case that FSU added to their resume by
1) beating the highest ranked opponent (and the one with the best other quality wins) that they played all season
2) winning their conference championship
It's fine if you personally disagree with this but then you have an issue with how the committee values close wins over ranked teams and/or conference championships but not specifically that they shouldn't have moved FSU up.
You certainly don't have to subtract anything at all from TCU's resume to see the logic of FSU moving ahead. You could even say, just to pick a random number to make an example, that TCU got +1 for blowing out a poor Iowa St team but FSU got +2 for beating their best opponent and winning the conference outright.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:52 pm to wm72
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It's fine if you personally disagree with this but then you have an issue with how the committee values close wins over ranked teams and/or conference championships but not specifically that they shouldn't have moved FSU up.
You're right, I place little value of the #3 team eking out a two-point win over an opponent. IMO, you need to dominate an opponent the way Ohio State did in order to move up in the ranking, unless a team ahead of you loses. FSU didn't deserve the same poll movement as Ohio State. I can see where the Committee would place extra value on a 13th game, due to the extra risk and one less bye week, but conference championships in and of themselves can be meaningful or meaningless, depending on who the opponent is. In 2011, Oregon played an unranked 6-6 UCLA team. Do you think the Committee should give that more value than a regular season game against a top 10 opponent just because it decided a conference championship.
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