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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:06 am to Tshiz
I think that scouts likely think that Williams has a higher ceiling. He looked really good as a freshman, and won the Heisman as a sophomore. Daniels didn't truly show out until his 5th year. Scouts might be concerned that he's already close to his ceiling.
*I don't necessarily believe that, just saying, that's probably what the scouts are thinking.
*I don't necessarily believe that, just saying, that's probably what the scouts are thinking.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:12 am to Funky Tide 8
Daniels legs were part of his throwing game. When the teams take away the run, can he run an NFL offense? His entire season was built off a broken play offense.
Daniels was a fantastic college QB, but is a Justin Fields style risk at the next level.
Daniels was a fantastic college QB, but is a Justin Fields style risk at the next level.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:14 am to Funky Tide 8
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I think that scouts likely think that Williams has a higher ceiling. He looked really good as a freshman, and won the Heisman as a sophomore. Daniels didn't truly show out until his 5th year. Scouts might be concerned that he's already close to his ceiling.
Theres a ton of data that says breakout age is important
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:23 am to VolSquatch
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Theres a ton of data that says breakout age is important
There is?
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:32 am to Geauxldninja
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Actual stats (against much better competition) say Jayden is the one who does everything better.
I get what you're saying, but LSU also had two first round receivers (including a guy who will go top 10) and a better OL than USC.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:34 am to SoFla Tideroller
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There is?
Yeah, and if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.
If you're breaking out earlier its usually not because you have some huge physical advantage over people younger than you, or you're just so athletic that the physical advantage older guys should have over you is negated.
Though with QB its not quite as strong as with other positions. I think because so much of the position is mental that some QBs take genuine leaps because of experience, getting the right coach/mentor, etc.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:37 am to Tshiz
Cry in his mommies lap after losing, have his mom write curse words on his finger nails, which is super aTm.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:42 am to Tshiz
I think people like Caleb’s ability to throw going to his left because it looks so much like Patrick Mahomes. On top of that, he looks thicker so people are probably less worried about injury.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:36 am to TheRouxGuru
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This thread is full of people who are just throwing cliches out there
quote:I love Jayden Daniels. I think he'll be a better pro than Caleb Williams.
Caleb is better at extending plays while keeping his eyes downfield.
Caleb Williams extends plays primarily looking to throw the ball. Jayden extends plays primarily looking to run the ball. If you watch Caleb Williams you'll see a ton of backyard football escapes and prolonging of plays to make a throw downfield. He'll run backwards and around the pocket like Mahomes. Jayden did a shite ton more damage throwing from the pocket than Caleb did this past year. He did a MUCH better job of staying in the pocket than people give him credit for.
Jayden gets out of the pocket and takes off for big rushing gains. It's actually more effective than what Williams does (in college at least).
Every TD at LSU. Watch this video. All but 3 of his passing TDs (Southern, Army, Mizzou) came from the pocket. Compare it to this video of every Caleb Williams TD.
Nothing I am saying is negative about Jayden. They are two totally different quarterbacks that get production in different ways. Jayden is a significantly better runner, one of the best running quarterbacks of all time. Williams is better at improvising and making off schedule throws.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:08 am to trussthetruzz
quote:And probably not ability per se, but more a willingness to pass on the run.
Better pocket presence. Jd is a statue at times
When JD decides to scramble, he's looking to run, and does a great job at it. But in the NFL, you have to be looking pass first. And that's truly one of William's biggest attributes and one of JD's biggest weaknesses to improve on.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:20 am to double d
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Daniels may get broken in half in the NFL if he runs too much.
I used to think this but he really has proven to be a rubber band man. Had an ankle at the end of last year from dancing too much in the SECCG and a concussion from being head butted by Bama but other than that always popped back up.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:23 am to Tshiz
Cry after getting beat by Tulane.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:33 am to Tshiz
From a scouting standpoint they can do a lot of similar things. Caleb has amazing arm talent according to people better than I am at breaking this stuff down.
The issue here is that a LOT of QBs can physically do anything most other QBs can do. Extra yardage on a deep ball you're not going to utilize very often anyway isn't gamebreaking. The mental side is what is more important, and also way harder to figure out.
Caleb extends plays looking to throw when chased out of the pocket, Jayden takes off running. History shows the former is a better indicator of NFL success because it shows Caleb processing the coverage, he knows where the receiver is going (or to wait for the receiver to alter his route to get open), and he isn't just relying on being more athletic than most of the other players on the field (which Jayden or Caleb will rarely ever be in the NFL).
I think Calebs floor is something like a starter who generates a lot of "can you win a championship with him" debate. Jayden's floor is a backup who plays a long time. But they have similar ceilings, and I think both end up being good NFL players.
The issue here is that a LOT of QBs can physically do anything most other QBs can do. Extra yardage on a deep ball you're not going to utilize very often anyway isn't gamebreaking. The mental side is what is more important, and also way harder to figure out.
Caleb extends plays looking to throw when chased out of the pocket, Jayden takes off running. History shows the former is a better indicator of NFL success because it shows Caleb processing the coverage, he knows where the receiver is going (or to wait for the receiver to alter his route to get open), and he isn't just relying on being more athletic than most of the other players on the field (which Jayden or Caleb will rarely ever be in the NFL).
I think Calebs floor is something like a starter who generates a lot of "can you win a championship with him" debate. Jayden's floor is a backup who plays a long time. But they have similar ceilings, and I think both end up being good NFL players.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:34 am to Smokedawg
What is funny about this? Caleb is better at keeping his eyes downfield while extending plays. That's just a fact. When JD extends plays he is primarily looking to run, where as Williams is looking to throw. I think it has to do with JD being a better runner than Caleb, and Caleb can make throws on the run that JD can't make. They have two different play styles.
Next year when Nuss is extending plays, he is going to throw the ball more than he runs it. It's the same thing.
Next year when Nuss is extending plays, he is going to throw the ball more than he runs it. It's the same thing.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:43 am to BuzzdLightBeer
quote:lol no.
His entire season was built off a broken play offense.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:48 am to TTsTowel
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What can Caleb Williams do that Jayden Daniels cannot?
Quarterback.
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This board does this every single year. They always shite on a player that goes top 5. They say he's overrated and overhyped. Blah, blah, blah.
You just said the quarterback that will be picked in the top three can't quarterback. You're the one shitting on the guy going in the top 5
Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If there’s one thing I’ve always been impressed with it’s Jayden’s arm.
What?!?!
This is absolutely Jayden's worst attribute.
Posted on 1/24/24 at 3:10 pm to LSBoosie
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What is funny about this? Caleb is better at keeping his eyes downfield while extending plays. That's just a fact. When JD extends plays he is primarily looking to run
Based on the 2022 season YES, based off of the 2023 season NO.
Daniels had a bunch of throws from scrambling out of the pocket this year.
Obviously Daniels also ran often when he saw windows, but stupid him only won a Heisman Trophy in part due to that ability
Posted on 1/24/24 at 3:28 pm to TigerSprings
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What?!?!
This is absolutely Jayden's worst attribute.
Arm strength? No it's not. Almost every scouting report you see says he has the ability to make all the throws. His biggest knock in all the scouting reports is his patience in the pocket/not going through all his progressions.
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