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re: Time to pay college football players
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:19 pm to bamafan425
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:19 pm to bamafan425
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Would that not cripple the schools left out of the big division?
Not really. Many of those schools are thriving. Like the Ivy League.
I'm all for objections on ethical or moral grounds. But I find the "it's too complicated" objection to be total BS. Know what's complicated? The current NCAA rulebook. Creating a Title IX compliant stipend scholarship system is not all that difficult. Of course there will be rules, and there will even be complex bureaucracy. But it is hardly insurmountable.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:21 pm to Baloo
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I'm all for objections on ethical or moral grounds. But I find the "it's too complicated" objection to be total BS. Know what's complicated? The current NCAA rulebook. Creating a Title IX compliant stipend scholarship system is not all that difficult. Of course there will be rules, and there will even be complex bureaucracy. But it is hardly insurmountable.
I don't think many people say it is too complicated...they say it is cost prohibitive due to the realities that come with paying players.
And, unless I missed it, you haven't show why the universities would decide to make this move. Are they going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:25 pm to RollTide1987
Gregg Doyel with another dud. Like every other mindless journalist on this issue before him.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:27 pm to bamafan425
I'm not for paying athletes . However, if they are given extra through the scholarship for the 20 hour rule, then I'm not opposed. Pay them a minimum wage, or 10 bucks an hour. Roughly 360 division one athletes ( boy and girl ) so it would cost the university 3.6 million a year to raise, or flat out take from budget.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:49 pm to RollTide1987
Free education and in most cases free housing/meal plans are more than enough for me.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:56 pm to moneyg
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And, unless I missed it, you haven't show why the universities would decide to make this move. Are they going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts?
Oh, I don't think they will either. Public pressure is mounting, but it's not high enough yet to force change. They have to be losing customers, which they aren't. I'm saying they could. The logistics are not the hard, and you could offer a $5000 stipend attached to all full athletic scholarships at a very reasonable cost.
Most of the time, "paying players" usually just means a stipend, not an out and out free market.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:01 pm to Baloo
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Public pressure is mounting
From whom? The consumers of the college football product LOVE the product...they aren't calling for change.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:07 pm to RollTide1987
NO fans are getting fleeced enough.....
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:14 pm to RollTide1987
Anyone claiming college football is purely like a minor league/farm system for the NFL are idiots.
When a player goes to the minors in baseball or say the D-League in basketball, all they get out of it is training in that sport and an ability to potentially showcase themselves to scouts. At the same time, they are paid a salary with which they pay for housing, food, etc out of that salary.
College athletes are on a different level. Yes, the students are being paid a stipend/tuition/expenses like in a minor league system, but they are also not only being showcased for scouts and being developed as athletes in their respective sports, but are also receiving an education and theoretically a degree to provide them with another opportunity outside of the sports world. That is a huge difference.
When a player goes to the minors in baseball or say the D-League in basketball, all they get out of it is training in that sport and an ability to potentially showcase themselves to scouts. At the same time, they are paid a salary with which they pay for housing, food, etc out of that salary.
College athletes are on a different level. Yes, the students are being paid a stipend/tuition/expenses like in a minor league system, but they are also not only being showcased for scouts and being developed as athletes in their respective sports, but are also receiving an education and theoretically a degree to provide them with another opportunity outside of the sports world. That is a huge difference.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:17 pm to moneyg
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Who is it a problem for?
The players.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:18 pm to moneyg
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From whom? The consumers of the college football product LOVE the product...they aren't calling for change.
It's on the cover of Time magazine. That's pretty public pressure. And I already pointed out they are not losing customers, which is why they won't change.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:26 pm to seinfeldtiger
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I'm not for paying athletes . However, if they are given extra through the scholarship for the 20 hour rule, then I'm not opposed. Pay them a minimum wage, or 10 bucks an hour. Roughly 360 division one athletes ( boy and girl ) so it would cost the university 3.6 million a year to raise, or flat out take from budget.
Best idea yet. 20 hours equals a part time job. Give them minimum wage for part time work. Don't give me the bs line about school on top of that. Many undergrads work just as much for minimum wage and handle the extra work.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:32 pm to Chillini
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Best idea yet. 20 hours equals a part time job. Give them minimum wage for part time work. Don't give me the bs line about school on top of that. Many undergrads work just as much for minimum wage and handle the extra work.
You guys do realize that $3.7 million isn't an easy number to just put out there for every school right? Tons of athletic departments are in the red annually with only a handful making any type of profit.
What do the schools already losing money do to make up another near $4 million in costs?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 5:56 pm to RollTide1987
So tell me, who will be footing the bill for the Oklahoma players?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 6:02 pm to Geauxgurt
I'm against paying student athletes. If it were to be done the minimum wage for each athlete for x amount of time is best option.
No way should a player at Alabama be paid when a player at Eastern Michigan can't because the school can't afford it.
No way should a player at Alabama be paid when a player at Eastern Michigan can't because the school can't afford it.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 6:17 pm to RollTide1987
How many schools make money on college athletics?
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Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012. Of that group, 16 also received some type of subsidy — and 10 of those 16 athletics departments received more subsidy money in 2012 than they did in 2011
Posted on 9/25/13 at 6:24 pm to Baloo
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I'm all for objections on ethical or moral grounds. But I find the "it's too complicated" objection to be total BS. Know what's complicated? The current NCAA rulebook. Creating a Title IX compliant stipend scholarship system is not all that difficult. Of course there will be rules, and there will even be complex bureaucracy. But it is hardly insurmountable.
This is probably true. But if we got this far, I'd almost say sports don't belong in college. ON the ethical and moral grounds. At least, NCAA-money making sports. Go back to local club and rec teams, for the real sports that use colleges as minor leagues, just form their own new league , and pay players per normal.
BUT I would assume the new "minor league football," would lose almost all of its allure and recognition. This is why it would never be done.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:04 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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The players.
The ones who freely decide to enter into the agreement and who can decide to opt out of the agreement at any time?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 8:09 pm to moneyg
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The ones who freely decide to enter into the agreement and who can decide to opt out of the agreement at any time?
What agreement?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 9:32 pm to bamafan425
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The value of a scholarship is what it would have cost otherwise to obtain that education.
Not quite. Free room and board with meal plan, Free travel, lodging and meals on road trips, free tudoring, free training and medical care, free clothing, access to do nothing summer jobs if you want, access to grants that most students don't have. Killer financing on cars. I'm sure there are other perks I'm forgetting that the general student population do not get.
The value of an athletic scholarship is significantly more than it would cost the average student to obtain an education.
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