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re: The Miami Heat: A Microcosm of what is wrong with this Country

Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:49 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:49 pm to
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Bitch about how players should take less money to build better teams, then bitch about how players took less money to build a better team.

Yep, sounds American to me
Almost the entire team is playing for less than their market value.

Compare that to the Lakers are any other team.

EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH AMERICA!!!! I'M SO ANGRY!!!!
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60139 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:49 pm to
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Kobe wasn't picked by the Lakers. Why is he "entitled" to go to the team HE wants?




You know nothing of what happened then. It was KNOWN the Lakers wanted Kobe and were going to draft him. So Charlotte worked out a deal. They needed a big man and the Lakers wanted Kobe. So they drafted Kobe so they could trade for Divac.

This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 2:50 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:49 pm to
Posted by CrippleCreek
Member since Apr 2012
2385 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:51 pm to
This is about as dumb as the people rooting for the mavs a few years back thinking they were for the little guy when the mavs had twice the payroll and had been paying luxury tax for a decade.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33061 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:52 pm to
Ok, this whole post is utter bull shite, I'm sorry. I thought you were going to make an argument about how today it's all me me me, and everyone is trying to be flashy, and I was going to agree. But the point you made is bull shite when it comes to the Heat.
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The Heat represent taking the modern short-cut to glory. They represent a lack of loyalty

That's just not true, they all signed contracts there, so what? That's what happens in pro sports. You're saying no other teams ever try and sign big name free agents? Why lacking loyalty? I guess I can see an argument for Lebron bc he's from Cleveland, but still it's not like they get to choose who they get drafted to. Why should Chris Bosh be loyal to Toronto? How about Dwayne Wade, he's played his whole career in Miami. But still, is he not loyal bc he's from Chicago and he doesn't play for the Bulls? I guess Tim Duncan should've tried to start a team in the Virgin Islands.

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dedication to team work.

People bash Lebron for trusting his teammates too much, the Heat as a whole are very unselfish. This point is just false

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There is a large segment of people in America who respect fighters


How did they not fight? They were down 1-0 in 3 straight series, they got taken to game 7 twice, they were down to their last 4 seconds in game 6, and they fought back to victory
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who respect those who rise to the challenge

I would say winning back to back titles is the definition of rising to the challenge when it comes to what they're trying to do
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who respect loyalty

We've already been over this once, see above

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and who respect someone WANTING to earn their way.

In what ways did they not earn it? They played the whole season to the best record in the NBA, they made it through the playoffs and came out on top, they earned it.

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And to the Heat “fans” aka the band-wagoners: Congrats on outing yourselves as weak-minded cowards who are so afraid of challenges you tremble at the thought of cheering for one.

That's just some bull shite
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88738 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:52 pm to
What in the?...

You do realize the Lakers hire the best players from around the league to help Kobe win titles right? And have consistently had the best rosters or close to it throughout history. You're a joke.
Posted by Na Mean
This is me yo.
Member since Mar 2013
2954 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:52 pm to
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30065 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:53 pm to
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Why are the Heat are hated? They are hated by people who recognize hard work and loyalty matters. That no one is "entitled" to anything.
The problem is the younger generation in this country is drowning in the entitlement mindset like a fish in water, surrounded by it and not even realizing it. It's all they know.


What the frick does entitlement have to do with anything. They just beat San Antonio on the floor my friend.


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Why are the Heat are hated? The Heat represent taking the modern short-cut to glory. They represent a lack of loyalty and dedication to team work. Other great teams in the past were built by trades, draft picks, etc by the organization (See the Lakers, Bulls, etc.). The Heat were DESIGNED in 2008 and constructed in 2010 driven by the PLAYERS. The whole idea was trying to neutralize a challenge, to avoid one player having too much pressure on them.

Why are the Heat are hated? There is a large segment of people in America who respect fighters, who respect those who rise to the challenge, who respect loyalty, and who respect someone WANTING to earn their way.



and why do they need your approval? They lost in the finals 2 years ago. They had two game sevens this year and faced elimination 3 separate occasions. But, we are supposed to give a shite because you don't think they were challenged?
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To Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Allen: To you I say congrats. Congrats on "winning". But don't complain when others, those who know love the old fashioned American way, aren't that impressed.


They are not complaining about anything. no matter how much you want them to

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And to the Heat “fans” aka the band-wagoners: Congrats on outing yourselves as weak-minded cowards who are so afraid of challenges you tremble at the thought of cheering for one.


I live in S. Florida. Do you live in L.A.? You have to have some reason to have your head so far up Kobe's arse.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:54 pm to
I agree, the Heat did not work hard, did not play as a team and are not loyal.





And they still won.







LEAGUE IS frickED
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84354 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:55 pm to
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You know nothing of what happened then. It was KNOWN the Lakers wanted Kobe and were going to draft him. So Charlotte worked out a deal. They needed a big man and the Lakers wanted Kobe. So they drafted Kobe so they could trade for Divac.



No, I remember. I remember that Kobe didn't want to play in Charlotte, but I remember that I don't think Charlotte wanted him either.

My point is that some players get dealt better situations than others.

I'm willing to bet Michael Jordan wouldn't have even won 3 Titles in Cleveland under Mike Brown and the Cleveland front office.

These players want to win, and sometimes trades are out of their control.

I don't see the problem with "colluding" as free agents to play with another.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126598 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:55 pm to
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And yet you don't hate the obnoxious Heat haters.

Interesting...


you mean people who stick loyal with their one team and don't go around changing teams in any sports sure

only people who don't seem to get the logic of picking one team through thick and thin right now are heat fans
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68779 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:55 pm to
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theunknownknight



You are a butthurt idiot.
Posted by Voorhies7
Rounding 3rd
Member since Oct 2012
5591 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:55 pm to
Theunkownknight. I would drink a cold beer with you.
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 2:57 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465838 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:55 pm to
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The problem is the younger generation in this country is drowning in the entitlement mindset like a fish in water, surrounded by it and not even realizing it. It's all they know.

you mean the boomers? the ones who were pushing the 80s and still defend the hallow, no defense era? the ones who refuse to admit the past was not as good as the present?
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:56 pm to
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you mean people who stick loyal with their one team


which team? Bucks, Pacers, Bulls, Spurs?

Im losing track here
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

you mean people who stick loyal with their one team and don't go around changing teams in any sports sure
No, I mean people who are specifically obnoxious against the Heat and hop on every bandwagon in every round to each different team and continuously littering the board with nonsense.

You have ZERO issues with those posters. Interesting how that works out, isn't it?
Posted by LL012697
Texas
Member since May 2013
4045 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:56 pm to
The fact that this was started by a Laker fan makes it even more ridiculous...I could make more sense of it coming from a Pelicans fan or something
This post was edited on 6/21/13 at 2:57 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126598 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:57 pm to
this thread got the reaction he wanted
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130412 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:57 pm to
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you mean people who stick loyal with their one team and don't go around changing teams in any sports sure


We're taking about people who hop from one team to another just to spite the Heat.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 6/21/13 at 2:57 pm to
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which team? Bucks, Pacers, Bulls, Spurs?

Im losing track here
Yea, those guys. He thinks those guys are admirable posters.

He should just own who he is and stop hiding from it.
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