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Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:54 am to LSUlunatic
quote:Not much in the 90s, the period we're talking about. He was extremely fragile in the aughts, which cost him any shot at Best Player Ever discussions. He got old quick.
How much did Griffy's nagging injuries play a role in his comparative decreased output?
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And was there a significant disparity in the quality of surrounding offensive support between both players?
Some of those Mariners teams were great. In the early 90s, Bonds had better teammates, but by the end of the decade, it had probably shifted to Griffey.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:58 am to Baloo
quote:considering the manner in which he got his injuries, one could argue that he was just a tough player that played with a little too much wreckless abandon. if he had loafed more, he would have had fewer injury lost seasons.
He was extremely fragile in the aughts
Posted on 4/5/11 at 8:59 am to Godfather1
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1980 Astros
JR Richard
was that the season he had his stroke?
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:00 am to Rouge
Very possible. Those little nicks you brush off when you're 25 come back to haunt you when you're 30.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 9:01 am to Baloo
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Some of those Mariners teams were great. In the early 90s, Bonds had better teammates, but by the end of the decade, it had probably shifted to Griffey.
I believe that Griffey had better players around him, but Bonds had the better teams. Those Pirates teams were soild and the early Giants team had to deal with Atlanta in divison.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 2:12 pm to Kafka
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was that the season he had his stroke?
Yeah, but for the first half of that season, he was dominant. Then Vern Ruhle stepped in and picked up the slack. Not quite as dominant, but still very effective.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 2:18 pm to Baloo
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He got old quick.
technically he was fairly durable until about his 13th MLB season. Have to keep in mind he broke in as a 18 or 19 year old.
by Bond's 13th season he was more than likely knee deep in PED's.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 2:21 pm to Lester Earl
I was more saying that Griffey had a sudden and steep delcine, not that he didn't have a long peak... he did. But he did not slowly decline, he fell off a cliff. It's a shame. He's a lot like Dale Murphy in that respect.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 2:36 pm to TigerintheNO
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I believe that Griffey had better players around him, but Bonds had the better teams
Griffey had A-Rod, Buhner, Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson and Jamie Moyer all at or near the primes of their careers AND Seattle was in a weak division and the Mariners still only made the playoffs once in his last four years. The Mariners actually improved their record by 12 games and made it to the ALCS the year after Griffey left. The Reds went from a 96 win team in 1999 to a 85 win team the year Griffey joined them. Now let's look at Barry Bonds. The Pirates made the playoffs in the previous three years with Barry Bonds. They went from a 96 win team that came an out away from reaching the World Series in 1992 with Barry Bonds to a 75 win team the year after he left. The Giants improved from 72 wins in 1992 to 103 wins in Bonds' first season with San Francisco. Now tell me who you think had a bigger impact on his team.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 3:09 pm to Bench McElroy
Well when you only look at that and don't consider any other variables or factors.
Oh and to the guy who said Griffey fell off the cliff, from the ages of 35 to 37 he hit 35, 27. and 30 home runs.
People also forget that he only played 72 games in 1995 at the age of 25. He was robbed of half a season when he had just entered his prime. Not to mention while he was spending time on the dl in Cincy, Bonds was a roided up freak who got by on scaring the shite out of pitchers.
Oh and to the guy who said Griffey fell off the cliff, from the ages of 35 to 37 he hit 35, 27. and 30 home runs.
People also forget that he only played 72 games in 1995 at the age of 25. He was robbed of half a season when he had just entered his prime. Not to mention while he was spending time on the dl in Cincy, Bonds was a roided up freak who got by on scaring the shite out of pitchers.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 3:36 pm to GamecockAlum
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Well when you only look at that and don't consider any other variables or factors.
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He was robbed of half a season when he had just entered his prime
Who's the better player?
A great player who played over 120 games 13x in 22 seasons
or
A great player who played over 120 games 18x in 22 seasons.
It's not Bonds fault that Griffey couldn't stay healthy, and imo actually being on the field to contribute to your team goes a long way to who is the better player.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 5:46 pm to Bench McElroy
Mariners were very overrated. '95 Indians beat them 4-2 in ALCS and they had Unit going in game 6. They looked good on paper. They had a 1-0 lead on the Tribe and then got throttled. Those late 90's teams had only Texas to contend with.
Posted on 4/5/11 at 5:52 pm to GamecockAlum
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Bonds was a roided up freak who got by on scaring the shite out of pitchers.
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