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The Greatest Pitching Rotation of All Time — and It’s Not Close
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:16 am
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:16 am
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What is the greatest four-man rotation of all time?
The answer isn’t all that surprising — but the margin of victory definitely is. The 1997 Braves rotation of Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz and, er, Denny Neagle (hey, he won 20 games that year and was surprisingly really good) has a collective Value Over Replacement Player (or VORP) of 649.4. The next highest-scoring foursome, the 1956 Indians (Early Wynn, Herb Score, Bob Lemon, Mike Garcia) has a score of 562.8. In fact, the rotations that ranked 2nd through 10th all have scores clustered loosely around 500, ranging from 494.7 (the 1970 Cubs) to the Indians.
Which is to say, the difference in VORP between the 10th best rotation and the 2nd best (68.1 points) is less than the difference between No. 2 and No. 1 (86.6 points). (Also interesting: The storied 1971 Orioles rotation of Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Pat Dobson and Dave McNally — 20-game winners all — doesn’t even make the Top 10.)
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:16 am to Kafka
Sabathia, Hernandez, Hughes, Burnett, Nova
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Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:23 am to Kafka
quote:
The answer isn’t all that surprising — but the margin of victory definitely is. The 1997 Braves rotation of Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz and, er, Denny Neagle (hey, he won 20 games that year and was surprisingly really good) has a collective Value Over Replacement Player (or VORP) of 649.4.
Indeed.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:26 am to LSUlunatic
I'm curious to know if Oakland's (2003?) pitching staff comprised of the semi-legendary Big 3 (Hudson, Zito, Mulder) ranks in the top 15.
eta: The 2002 A's staff ranks sixth on the list. Pretty cool.
eta: The 2002 A's staff ranks sixth on the list. Pretty cool.
This post was edited on 4/4/11 at 1:29 am
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:33 am to LSUlunatic
Who was the fifth starter on that team? Was it Millwood?
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:34 am to GamecockAlum
Wade/Milwood/Byrd
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:35 am to Kafka
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:35 am to GamecockAlum
Not sure. I know he made his debut in '97 or '98, but I don't know if he was a mainstay in the rotation in 1997.
He definitely was in 1998.
He definitely was in 1998.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:35 am to Kafka
Myers, Rodriguez, Norris, Happ
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:36 am to SPEEDY
RIP Cory Lidle
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:37 am to SPEEDY
Is Millwood listed as the Braves #1 starter in 1999 purely based off statistics?
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:39 am to BayouBengals03
Yea.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:39 am to BayouBengals03
Listed by VORP
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:40 am to BayouBengals03
Gotta feel for Maddux. He had a phenomenal '97 year that would have translated into a CY Young most years, but Pedro Martinez was possessed by the gods of baseball that season.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:43 am to GamecockAlum
97 was a great year as far as dominant pitchers went
Pedro
Maddux
Clemens
Randy Johnson
Each had phenomenal years in 1997
Pedro
Maddux
Clemens
Randy Johnson
Each had phenomenal years in 1997
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:44 am to SPEEDY
Didn't Kevin Brown have a great '96 as well? I believe Smoltz won the Cy Young that season though.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:45 am to GamecockAlum
correct
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:49 am to SPEEDY
BTW, here are some stats from that 97 season
NL
Pedro.......17-8, 1.90 ERA, 305 SO
Maddux....19-4, 2.20 ERA
AL
Clemens....21-7, 2.05 ERA, 292 SO
Johnson.....20-4, 2.28 ERA, 291 SO
NL
Pedro.......17-8, 1.90 ERA, 305 SO
Maddux....19-4, 2.20 ERA
AL
Clemens....21-7, 2.05 ERA, 292 SO
Johnson.....20-4, 2.28 ERA, 291 SO
Posted on 4/4/11 at 1:49 am to SPEEDY
baseball-reference lists Maddux has the 5th best pitcher of all-time. They have Pedro, Randy, and Roger at 10, 11, and 12.
Posted on 4/4/11 at 2:05 am to SPEEDY
And that was in the steroid era, mind you.
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