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re: The ATL Thread 9/24: This is Our Postseason Edition

Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:15 am to
Posted by Dale Murphy
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:15 am to
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and we stand a good chance of passing the D-backs, who we only need to tie. If we happen to pass the Mets, too, then great


would rather not pass both
would much rather play the Brewers than the Padres
Posted by Allthatfades
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:09 pm to
Does it look like they will get the game tonight in?
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 3:16 pm to
Based on current forecast, there's no way they're playing tonight or tomorrow. I also don't think a doubleheader Monday is a good solution because of how badly it would frick both pitching staffs going into a three game playoff series Tuesday.

It's the option no one wants to take, but I think it would be worth flying both teams down to Miami, play a game there tomorrow, and then have the last game on Monday if it's still needed.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
41214 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 5:00 pm to
DH Monday.

Assume Sale, Fried, Morton rotation against the Royals.

Schwelly and Lopez with all hands on deck behind him on Monday if those are must win games.
Posted by Volsfan82169
Spring Hill, TN
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 5:27 pm to
It’s crazy but if Arizona loses out, they are 87-75. If I’m correct that Arizona loses tiebreakers to both the Mets and Braves, the Braves would only need 1 against the Royals to clinch and make Monday unnecessary (unless MLB makes them fight it out for the 5 and 6 seeds with the Mets)
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:06 pm to
I just read this from CBSSports

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As Helene continues to strengthen, the Braves were reportedly more determined to protect their ticket sales for the well-drawing series, and did not want to work through the logistics of moving the games. While the league could have overruled the home team, officials reportedly opted not to. That was a massive unforced error on MLB's part. Now the Braves and Mets are facing a potential scheduling nightmare ahead of the postseason.

The Mets, for example, may have to travel from Atlanta (this week's series) to Milwaukee (for this weekend's series) to Atlanta (for Monday's doubleheader) to the West Coast (for the Wild Card Series) in the span of six days. Also, a doubleheader Monday could wreck both pitching staffs, and one of these two teams is assured a postseason berth. They'll have to go into the Wild Card Series with a taxed bullpen, potentially. This was all avoidable had MLB overruled the Braves and rescheduled the games sooner.


I kind of wish the Braves had just played the games elsewhere, but I don't know.

Hopefully Monday won't be necessary?
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:17 pm to
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As Helene continues to strengthen, the Braves were reportedly more determined to protect their ticket sales for the well-drawing series, and did not want to work through the logistics of moving the games. While the league could have overruled the home team, officials reportedly opted not to. That was a massive unforced error on MLB's part. Now the Braves and Mets are facing a potential scheduling nightmare ahead of the postseason.

The Mets, for example, may have to travel from Atlanta (this week's series) to Milwaukee (for this weekend's series) to Atlanta (for Monday's doubleheader) to the West Coast (for the Wild Card Series) in the span of six days. Also, a doubleheader Monday could wreck both pitching staffs, and one of these two teams is assured a postseason berth. They'll have to go into the Wild Card Series with a taxed bullpen, potentially. This was all avoidable had MLB overruled the Braves and rescheduled the games sooner.

Nice melt.

This genius does know that MLB is in charge of all schedule issues. They are in charge, not the Braves

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I kind of wish the Braves had just played the games elsewhere, 

That would have required MLB to actually be proactive. That's like asking an illiterate person to read War and Peace.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 6:19 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:22 pm to
I had no opinion on the article, but I agree with you.

Sorry for my lack of understanding, but just to doublecheck, there is a possibility they don't even play any games on Monday? Depending upon if necessary? Or am I wrong.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81258 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:30 pm to
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there is a possibility they don't even play any games on Monday? Depending upon if necessary?


I can't foresee any realistic scenario where that could happen. Even if the Braves or D-backs lose out beforehand and solidify the final two wild card spots, there will still be wild card positioning in play.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81258 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 6:32 pm to
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That would have required MLB to actually be proactive. That's like asking an illiterate person to read War and Peace.


Explain how MLB could've avoided this.

It's easy to shite on Manfred and MLB for this because it's always the en vogue thing to do, but what the frick were they supposed to do with a packed schedule and the volatility of a hurricane. A week ago, there was reason to believe this storm wasn't going to even touch Georgia.

ETA: Keep in mind, the game being postponed today has zero to do with the hurricane.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 6:49 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:18 pm to
There is such a thing has having a contingency plan in place. You can reschedule games for later in the year, at any other point, but there needs to be a plan in place where every series in the last week of the season can be moved, should any weather situation arise, to where you don't have teams playing two or more games after the final day of the regular season. With these stupid wild card series that they just had to add in, this becomes an absolute nightmare.

Instead of having a plan, MLB sat there waiting for the forecast to somehow clear despite knowing what was likely to happen days in advance. You don't need more than a week's notice to make a decision. It's going to screw ticket sales for one series... Big deal. Their playoff hopes have been thrown into full chaos because of this.

But they didn't mind playing in front of cardboard cutouts for an entire 60 game schedule, because of the big bad covid monster.
This post was edited on 9/25/24 at 7:20 pm
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
8702 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:26 pm to
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If I’m correct that Arizona loses tiebreakers to both the Mets and Braves,
yessir you are correct -

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/2024/09/25/mlb-playoff-tiebreakers-2024-postseason-tie-scenarios/75378252007/

Padres > Dodgers & Brewers
Braves > Arizona & currently NYM
Mets > Arizona & Padres

Arizona could fall out of the 3rd WC with a loss tonight while Atlanta sits idle - win% favors Braves .548 to .547 if that were to occur -

I can't math a way to not have at least 1 game played on Monday between Atlanta & NYM .... Arizona will want every chance to back into the final WC if they do lose out -

Braves could move above the heap by getting to 89 wins by Sunday night - but depending on the chaos that could happen in the NYM/MIL series along with SD/AZ ...the full 162 for NYM/AZ fight might drag the Braves into having to play the DH - at least the first game -

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81258 posts
Posted on 9/25/24 at 8:37 pm to
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There is such a thing has having a contingency plan in place


Ok... what should the contingency plan been?
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6910 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 4:56 am to
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Ok... what should the contingency plan been?


I'm assuming you read past that sentence? I already alluded to it, but didn't think it was necessary to articulate further, as I assumed it would be self evident to everyone. What would any contingency plan involving this scenario look like? I can think of only one, and it is not particularly complicated.

You map out, before the season, a list of alternate sites that you know will be available in the last week of the season like this, and designate a stadium in multiple regions for each series where it can be moved to in order to avoid weather postponements. This way, those stadiums, and all their workers, will be on call and prepared to organize quickly if they are needed, rather than it being a last minute decision heaped upon them.

This could easily include minor league stadiums. If they can organize a game inside of a race track, for funsies, then it shouldn't be an issue to have a game wherever it's necessary to get games in, so that we don't destroy teams like the Mets and Braves on a Monday, playing a double header one day before potentially starting a playoff series.

It's not like we've never seen games get moved to another site without much advance notice, before. But if you have actual contingency plans set in stone in advance, it's not complicated. So it all comes down to money, and a lack of urgency. Teams don't want to lose money, and MLB puts too much trust in things just working themselves out, to be proactive in the way I've suggested (which I'm sure is not an idea that no one has ever proposed to them). You can blame MLB, you can blame the individual teams. I don't care who you want to blame or defend. The bottom line is that there is no good reason for this to even be an issue. We, at the very least, could have moved Wednesday's game up earlier in the day to attempt to get that game in. Again, whoever you want to blame, I don't care, but the game didn't get moved up and I personally blame everyone who could have done something about that and refused to do so.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 5:43 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28247 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:24 am to
How are the royals games not going to be delayed as well… this is going to be a shite show to end the season
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:55 am to
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How are the royals games not going to be delayed as well

Helene is supposed to be over Ft.Campbell by Friday evening. The weather for the weekend is looking gorgeous.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:57 am to
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Metaloctopus

Sometimes shite happens and there isn't anything thing that we can do about it.

This falls under that category. IOW:

Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6910 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:00 am to
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How are the royals games not going to be delayed as well… this is going to be a shite show to end the season


The rain chances are low starting at about 10:AM on Friday, on through the rest of the weekend. That shouldn't be an issue if that holds.

But a Monday doubleheader is just a terrible alternative to what could have been done to avoid these current postponements. The Mets (supposedly) didn't want to play the makeup game that was added to this series, earlier in the year, and the Braves (supposedly) rejected the idea of moving the start of this series up a day, when both teams were off Monday, and then playing a doubleheader on Tuesday. And, of course, the Braves and MLB could have moved the series to an empty stadium somewhere, but screwing both teams over in a much worse way than that was apparently the choice that was made.
Posted by LCLa
Member since Apr 2017
4602 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:00 am to
If (big if to be sure) we win out, we are the 5 seed, no matter what the Mutts or Dbags do.

Any losses by them this weekend of course reduces that.

We control our own destiny.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6910 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:03 am to
quote:

Sometimes shite happens and there isn't anything thing that we can do about it.


Except that there were several things that could have been done about it; none of which were chosen. So that kind of renders your point invalid. But thank you for chiming in, as per usual, with your condescension.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 7:05 am
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