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Running routes short of the first down

Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2295 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:39 pm
Why?

Third down and you run the route short of the line to gain.

Must drive coaches crazy.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
19814 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:40 pm to
“Well the defense expects them to run past the line, so they are outsmarting them then they can catch it and sneak past tbem.”
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
29729 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 8:59 pm to
That and running a pitch play on third and 1 are my biggest pet peeves with football. Never understood why anyone would pitch the ball back four yards to gain one…
Posted by thegambler
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
1789 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:03 pm to
Yards after the catch
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10497 posts
Posted on 1/13/25 at 9:46 pm to
The defense doesn't let you just run to the marker uncovered.
Posted by SoFlaGuy
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Apr 2020
1881 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:15 am to
As a Fins fan, it's the most frustrating part of watching them. 3rd and 9? Two yard screen. 4th and 1, screen. 3rd and 25, screen.

McDaniel is the master at throwing passes short of the first down marker.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
35422 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Never understood why anyone would pitch the ball back four yards to gain one…


At least the RB is moving. The shotgun short yardage where the RB waits on his heels for the hand-off is rank stupidity.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38018 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:35 am to
You'll get the snob lazy responses, "you don't know football!"

I've seen this question on here before and the myriad of responses of how running a curl short of the sticks is genius and perfectly designed to fool the D.

And the receiver comes up a yard short, because game of inches beats being so-called fooled.

This question gets "baseball purist" responses and how being a Baseball manager is the MENSA of sport coaches. Its all poppycock. Admit coaches out think things that are blatantly obvious.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 10:37 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
103947 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:48 am to
I mean do you think the defender isn’t aware where the first down marker is? They are going to “sit at the sticks”

Your route is going to absolutely be covered tighter the closer you get
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 10:49 am
Posted by Borntoboogy
Member since Jan 2023
746 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:51 am to
YAC.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51586 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:52 am to
quote:

Your route is going to absolutely be covered tighter the closer you get


Cant be covered too tight, the flag will come out like that for illegal contact
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68602 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 10:59 am to
quote:


Why?

Third down and you run the route short of the line to gain.

Must drive coaches crazy.

depends how short of the sticks the route is drawn up, where the DB is lined up, what type of defense is being run, whether there are open receivers deeper down the field, how much pressure the QB is facing, etc.

In a vacuum, I can't just say running and throwing to routes short of the stick is inherently dumb. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

I think throwing deep fade routes on 3rd/4th and medium is a dumber call, generally. Lower percentage play to begin with
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
38018 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:03 am to
quote:

Your route is going to absolutely be covered tighter the closer you get


So draw the flag or at least be guaranteed a 1st down if the receiver completes the pass.

Designed to come up short but for freak tackle avoiding capabilities?

You're designing failure and asking for a super human effort....just to get a yard of separation. Rather the 1st down was guaranteed if the super human effort was already beyond the sticks. I hate it and running routes short almost never works beyond having to break tackles. Its high risk for what it purports,to offer.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 11:07 am
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
19814 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:17 am to
quote:

I mean do you think the defender isn’t aware where the first down marker is? They are going to “sit at the sticks” Your route is going to absolutely be covered tighter the closer you get

Of course you’d take the contrarian stance that still makes no sense lol

This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 11:18 am
Posted by messyjesse
Member since Nov 2015
2150 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:53 am to
Why not just heave it to the end zone on every play?
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75273 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:56 am to
quote:

That and running a pitch play on third and 1 are my biggest pet peeves with football. Never understood why anyone would pitch the ball back four yards to gain one…


Depends on the formation

right big sets a good portion of their team isn’t trying to penetrate they’re right there in the middle trying to clog lanes and stop a run between the tackles.

You pitch it out to try and give your guy a chance at going and getting the edge in space

better I. the goal line that just 3rd and 1 in general.
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
8855 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

Why?

Third down and you run the route short of the line to gain.


Because they don't want to get the first down that's why. It's not what you want to hear but it's the truth. No WR should be running 5-8yd crosses when they need 10 yds.They are professionals. They know exactly where those sticks are without even looking.

Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
6149 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 12:24 pm to
The art of calling an offense is to take what a defense gives you. On 3rd and 8, a defense will give you 5 or 6 with zone, or tight man with a blitz / stunt to force a quick pass. The key is to put your players in a position to make a play and get those extra 2. Not easy against professionals.

The more annoying tendency is for a CB to play off 10 when an offense needs 5.
Posted by NussBusDriver
BR
Member since Sep 2024
136 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

You're designing failure and asking for a super human effort....just to get a yard of separation. Rather the 1st down was guaranteed if the super human effort was already beyond the sticks. I hate it and running routes short almost never works beyond having to break tackles. Its high risk for what it purports,to offer.


Or maybe the particular play called has several different options and the option that the QB chose based on coverage was a route that you are hoping gets the YAC and the first down. I'm honestly not sure you understand just how complicated these offenses are and what all goes into it. How many times on 3rd down have you seen a WR run a drag, catch it short of the 1st down but run for the first down. The answer is all the frickin time. It happens in every game of football that is played on Saturdays and Sundays.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
103947 posts
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:12 pm to
Look how retarded Brady and burrow were on this crucial 3rd down



The above happens all the time. People just don’t care to remember it and only bitch when it doesn’t work
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