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Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:27 pm to Swagga
Arizona St was 20 seconds away from winning the national title in the 1997 Rose Bowl
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:31 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:Sounds like more of a program defining win for Bama, but not a program defining loss for LSU then.
yeah but we’re still talking about 1-9-12. One great year for LSU hasn’t put a dent into the Alabama dominance since then
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:35 pm to karmew32
The 1/9/12 answers don't really make sense unless I'm misunderstanding the question.
Program-defining lost to me means that you had a chance to win your first natty (or first in a really long time) and you pissed it away against a team you should have beat. And, you haven't made it back to that level since.
Would any of the teams in the OP have beat the actual champ if they had made it to the natty? Maybe 07 WVU?
98 K-State?
Program-defining lost to me means that you had a chance to win your first natty (or first in a really long time) and you pissed it away against a team you should have beat. And, you haven't made it back to that level since.
Would any of the teams in the OP have beat the actual champ if they had made it to the natty? Maybe 07 WVU?
98 K-State?
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:37 pm to karmew32
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Oklahoma State: 2011 at Iowa State
Yep. That loss defined a program for about 7 years and that program was LSU...
LSU would have beaten the shite out of Oklahoma State in the title game and 1/9/12 wouldn't have hung over our heads for 8 years.
Alabama would have still been Alabama during the 2010s, but it would have been a little more palatable if LSU had won that title in 2012.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:38 pm to Crucial Taunt
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Miami 2005 Peach Bowl vs. LSU
Yeah I was coming here to say that too. That was truly the end for Miami. Some will say the 02 NCG against Ohio State with the late PI call. That one was significant, but they still posted good seasons and made big bowls games (Orange and 2 Peach bowls). After the 40-3 arse kicking by LSU is when they started hovering around .500 most of the time
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:42 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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I think some are just fricking around with us
Of course they are. I guess that makes them feel better about themselves
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:46 pm to WaterLink
LSU ended Tennessee and DA U
Then Tennessee got back to the sec title game in 07 and lost to LSU again
Then Tennessee got back to the sec title game in 07 and lost to LSU again
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:48 pm to karmew32
Clemson loss to West Virginia in the 2012 orange bowl. 70-33
This led to them firing their D-coordinator and hiring Brent Venables.
Since this move Clemson hasn't lost more than 3 games in a season. Played in 4 national championships and won 2 of them. Made the playoffs 6 times.
This led to them firing their D-coordinator and hiring Brent Venables.
Since this move Clemson hasn't lost more than 3 games in a season. Played in 4 national championships and won 2 of them. Made the playoffs 6 times.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:49 pm to Ssubba
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Eh...everyone knew they were way overmatched.
2009 Texas was a damn good team. With McElroy not being able to throw I'm one of the lone Bama fans who thinks we would have been screwed had McCoy played.
I think people kind of forget that Bama team wasn't quite the overwhelmingly dominant program at that point, and that Texas team was really good. Saban's first full recruiting class were only sophomores at that point. They were in close games all year (and the SEC West was relatively weak that year compared to what it usually is) and didn't really kick it into gear until the post-season. They had lost two games the year before and would lose three games the year after. They didn't start going full-on dynasty mode until 2011 - 2012. I'd be curious if Alabama posters agree with me, but I've always thought 2009 (or maybe 2015) was the "worst" of Saban's title-winning teams.
Had McCoy played that game, I think that game would've been very tight.
USC/Stanford in 2007 might belong on this list as well.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:51 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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USC/Stanford in 2007 might belong on this list as well.
USC was in the mix for a lot of 2008 as well.
For them, I'd say the 55-21 home loss to Stanford in 2009. That was the game where it felt like the end of an era.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:54 pm to VADawg
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For them, I'd say the 55-21 home loss to Stanford in 2009. That was the game where it felt like the end of an era.
I loved the sour grapes Carroll had after that game. Went up to Harbaugh after the game and asked him "What's your deal bro?" because Harbaugh had the audacity to run up the score like Carroll had done to so many teams before
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:07 pm to VADawg
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For them, I'd say the 55-21 home loss to Stanford in 2009. That was the game where it felt like the end of an era.
Definitely
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:11 pm to LB84
Edited: guess i was a bit late.
I'll throw one out there that hasn't been mentioned.
Stanford with the huge upset over USC in 2007.
USC wins that and they get to beat OSU in the title game instead of LSU. They won the PAC again the next year, their 7th straight, then went 9-4 in Petes's last year the following year.
Since those 7 straight PAC titles, they've got one PAC title in the last 11 years and 8 of those 11 years have had at a minimum 4 losses. They are 112-51 since that lost. They lost 8 games total during their 7 straight PAC titles years.
I'll throw one out there that hasn't been mentioned.
Stanford with the huge upset over USC in 2007.
USC wins that and they get to beat OSU in the title game instead of LSU. They won the PAC again the next year, their 7th straight, then went 9-4 in Petes's last year the following year.
Since those 7 straight PAC titles, they've got one PAC title in the last 11 years and 8 of those 11 years have had at a minimum 4 losses. They are 112-51 since that lost. They lost 8 games total during their 7 straight PAC titles years.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:15 pm to shel311
quote:Alabama was well defined as a program long before them. And certainly well defined as being head, shoulders and then some above LSU.
Sounds like more of a program defining win for Bama, but not a program defining loss for LSU then.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:17 pm to karmew32
2015 MSU vs Bama Cotton Bowl
They haven't been the same since that loss. Maybe Tucker is the guy but certainly their nice run (especially 2013 and 14) was put to a halt.
The Connor Cook INT to Cyrus Jones broke their backs. They were only down 10-0 at half but that play made the game and gave Bama all the momentum.
They haven't been the same since that loss. Maybe Tucker is the guy but certainly their nice run (especially 2013 and 14) was put to a halt.
The Connor Cook INT to Cyrus Jones broke their backs. They were only down 10-0 at half but that play made the game and gave Bama all the momentum.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:18 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:it didn’t set LSU back that much, but it blasted Bama off into the stratosphere, and from an LSU perspective, that’s the same thing. CFB isn’t played in a vacuum
do agree that LSU loss to Bama in 12 did set LSU back, but nowhere close to a few of the other programs mentioned.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Stanford with the huge upset over USC in 2007.
USC wins that and they get to beat OSU in the title game instead of LSU. They won the PAC again the next year, their 7th straight, then went 9-4 in Petes's last year the following year.
Since those 7 straight PAC titles, they've got one PAC title in the last 11 years and 8 of those 11 years have had at a minimum 4 losses. They are 112-51 since that lost. They lost 8 games total during their 7 straight PAC titles years.
USC finished 2008 ranked #2 in the country didn't play a single close game except the Oregon St loss.
Gerhart and Luck in 2009 just running is down USC's throat was the end
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:37 pm to karmew32
I’m not sure if any of these are program-defining...but here’s my take FWIW:
Okie State and WVU losses are probably the worst, as they were within a whisker of getting to a title game. The losses happened in seemingly improbable fashions to inferior opponents.
Kansas State should have won, but lost to a good team. That didn’t break the program though. They had some damn strong teams after, won the Big 12, and maintained relevancy.
Boise stayed strong after the Nevada loss, but it’s mind-boggling to realize how a random upstart in Idaho could be that close to getting to a natty.
UCLA’s loss was to a very talented Miami team on the road. The game was delayed to the end of the year. Circumstances didn’t help the Bruins.
I’ll disagree with Louisville-Rutgers. The Cards had the Bridgewater era, and better teams than the ‘06 squad.
Okie State and WVU losses are probably the worst, as they were within a whisker of getting to a title game. The losses happened in seemingly improbable fashions to inferior opponents.
Kansas State should have won, but lost to a good team. That didn’t break the program though. They had some damn strong teams after, won the Big 12, and maintained relevancy.
Boise stayed strong after the Nevada loss, but it’s mind-boggling to realize how a random upstart in Idaho could be that close to getting to a natty.
UCLA’s loss was to a very talented Miami team on the road. The game was delayed to the end of the year. Circumstances didn’t help the Bruins.
I’ll disagree with Louisville-Rutgers. The Cards had the Bridgewater era, and better teams than the ‘06 squad.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:42 pm to karmew32
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Oklahoma State: 2011 at Iowa State
frick that game!
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