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re: Pitch Count for High School baseball thoughts!
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:47 pm to Pudge 3223
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:47 pm to Pudge 3223
Why we have the Emerson Gibbs rule…
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Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:54 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Is this potentially a college baseball player? Or is it a senior, that will be finished with baseball, after his next loss? That's kind of important to know here.
If he’s not even that good, all the more reason to let him rest. Surely someone else can throw close to as well as a kid that’s not college bound. It’s great to let him play but don’t hurt him in the process.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:54 pm to Pudge 3223
Selfish coach to win at all costs (even at the kid's expense).
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:27 pm to thegambler
i would suggest any parents with kids pitching read
Jeff Passan's book "THE ARM". great book!
Jeff Passan's book "THE ARM". great book!
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:35 pm to jacksajester
Actually they lost all 3 games. This is a local team in my area in North La that I follow and I believe the reason the coach does this is because it’s a low classification school and they are almost guaranteed to make it to the State Tournament every year and he tries to pitch his main guy 50 pitches on Thursday (Semis) and they the full amount of 115 or 125 (can’t remember the limit) on Saturday in the finals. I just can’t believe the parents let this happen year after year.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:45 pm to Pudge 3223
Coach should be fired.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:48 pm to Pudge 3223
There’s no way this happened. I may know who you’re talking about and that sort of thing doesn’t go on there. That stuff is also monitored.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:48 pm to grizzlylongcut
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The bigger problem is year round travel ball. That takes a much bigger toll on their arms than what you posted; which is pretty shitty to do, also.
But that year round shite goes on year after year after year after year and then people wonder why guys have arm issues in college.
It's sad that Tommy John is basically a normal part of a pitcher's development now.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 9:36 pm to NoSaint
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If he’s not even that good, all the more reason to let him rest. Surely someone else can throw close to as well as a kid that’s not college bound. It’s great to let him play but don’t hurt him in the process.
You can be a good HS pitcher and not be college bound. In HS you can have a rag arm but throw strikes and get a ton of people out while being the most reliable guy on the staff.
My gripe with OP’a scenario is that it’s not playoffs why burn an arm for a week.
Posted on 4/5/23 at 10:21 pm to sta4ever
I have no clue who he is talking about but I agree with you. With the way travel ball mom and dads are these days this shite doesn’t happen. If that kid is good enough to throw 200 pitches in that time frame he has a travel/select team and then parents and coach wouldn’t let that happen. Barstool sports would be tweeting about it and the coach would be fired.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 4:19 am to VADawg
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It's sad that Tommy John is basically a normal part of a pitcher's development now.
And that’s with all the pitch count restrictions.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:35 am to chalmetteowl
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Why we have the Emerson Gibbs rule…
Yep, 200+ pitches is one long extra inning game. How he managed to still pitch for 4 years in college is amazing.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:57 am to grizzlylongcut
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The bigger problem is year round travel ball. That takes a much bigger toll on their arms than what you posted; which is pretty shitty to do, also.
Travel Ball isn't played year round, but some kids do play Fall Ball, usually local. Your point is well taken if these players are pitching year round. If they're a position player, no big deal. By the way, the developmental camps in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico are truly playing year round. Not sure if you want to get mad at that too.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:14 am to Pudge 3223
High school coaches are dumb and arrogant. I find it crazy how much faith parents put in some of them.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:22 am to Black n Gold
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High school coaches are dumb and arrogant.
Really? All of them?
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:29 am to Pudge 3223
If this was in Louisiana, that's against the LHSAA rules and coach could be in some trouble if reported. Pitch counts need to be reported online, so either the coach fudged some numbers or he's not reporting after games. Either way, big "no no".
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:29 am to Pudge 3223
Yea that’s way too much if the kid wants to have a college career. If he just wants to be a high school pitcher than I guess use him as much as he can go.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:33 am to Pudge 3223
Louisiana absolutely has pitch counts.
Rule 10.4.4 of the 2022-2023 LHSAA Handbook sets the daily limit at 115 pitches per day. This number can be exceeded to finish a batter whose plate appearance was begun prior to the pitch count limit being reached.
More importantly, the same rule has rest requirements as follows:
0 days rest for 1-34 pitches thrown in a single day
1 day of rest for 35-59 pitches
2 days of rest for 60-84
3 days of rest for 85-115
The days are full days of rest. The example in the rule is that if a kid throws 90 pitches on Tuesday, he can’t pitch again until Saturday. He cannot throw a single pitch for the three full days of Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
And it’s calendar days. Actual game times do not matter at all. So the required rest period over three days can exceed 72 actual hours.
The pitch count is supposed to be verified by three different counters - two from home and one by visitor, each inning per Rule 10.4.3. Discrepancies are decided by the count on two of the three cards.
From there coaches have to enter the official pitch counts on the LHSAA website
In the situation from the OP, the pitch count rule was probably violated when the kid was only given one day of rest after throwing 60 on the Thursday - he shouldn’t have been eligible to pitch until Sunday.
I say “probably” because it’s possible that a pitch or two were ruled “no pitch” for some reason. Rule 10.4.1 says those don’t count. But almost any other pitch does.
It’s also possible the kids official count was 59, due to counting error or plain old cheating. At 59 he can come back after one day of rest.
If the kid here actually threw 60 pitches on the Thursday then at minimum the Saturday game should be forfeit per Rule 10.4.5. Probably the Monday game as well but that’s less clear.
But rules or not that coach should have been fired on the spot and escorted from the field by uniformed police officers, the second he put that kid on the mound for the third game on Monday. He is an incompetent baseball coach, and probably a fundamentally bad human being.
Rule 10.4.4 of the 2022-2023 LHSAA Handbook sets the daily limit at 115 pitches per day. This number can be exceeded to finish a batter whose plate appearance was begun prior to the pitch count limit being reached.
More importantly, the same rule has rest requirements as follows:
0 days rest for 1-34 pitches thrown in a single day
1 day of rest for 35-59 pitches
2 days of rest for 60-84
3 days of rest for 85-115
The days are full days of rest. The example in the rule is that if a kid throws 90 pitches on Tuesday, he can’t pitch again until Saturday. He cannot throw a single pitch for the three full days of Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
And it’s calendar days. Actual game times do not matter at all. So the required rest period over three days can exceed 72 actual hours.
The pitch count is supposed to be verified by three different counters - two from home and one by visitor, each inning per Rule 10.4.3. Discrepancies are decided by the count on two of the three cards.
From there coaches have to enter the official pitch counts on the LHSAA website
In the situation from the OP, the pitch count rule was probably violated when the kid was only given one day of rest after throwing 60 on the Thursday - he shouldn’t have been eligible to pitch until Sunday.
I say “probably” because it’s possible that a pitch or two were ruled “no pitch” for some reason. Rule 10.4.1 says those don’t count. But almost any other pitch does.
It’s also possible the kids official count was 59, due to counting error or plain old cheating. At 59 he can come back after one day of rest.
If the kid here actually threw 60 pitches on the Thursday then at minimum the Saturday game should be forfeit per Rule 10.4.5. Probably the Monday game as well but that’s less clear.
But rules or not that coach should have been fired on the spot and escorted from the field by uniformed police officers, the second he put that kid on the mound for the third game on Monday. He is an incompetent baseball coach, and probably a fundamentally bad human being.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:38 am to Pudge 3223
Coach should be fired if true.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:13 am to double d
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Why we have the Emerson Gibbs rule… Yep, 200+ pitches is one long extra inning game. How he managed to still pitch for 4 years in college is amazing.
What shocked me about that was that I would expect that out of podunk lower classification schools, but never out of Jesuit and Rummel
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