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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to PowerTool
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to PowerTool
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Whats rumored to be going down to PSU?
Biggest rumors right now is a 5-year bowl ban, loss of 60 scholarships over 5 years, all revenue from the B1G has to go to charity, no non-conference games for 2013 and 2014, and no home games can be played in 2013.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to PowerTool
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Mett could have declared for the draft this year if he wanted. He's counting on LSU coaches to develop him to NFL-caliber.
That is not what I asked. How much would LSU pay him if the NCAA were not stopping them?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to Deactived
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havent had access to tv/internet the past few days and have only read the OP. Whats rumored to be going down to PSU? or is this just 50 pages of speculation and arguing?
this rumor seems to have SOME traction,,
I think the NCAA should assume control of PSU athletics for at least 3 years
big bomb to be dropped IMO is the Dept of Education review of the Cleary act
I promise you some US Senators from any start other that Penn is salivating at the chance to old hearing and punish PennState, pedophiles, big time athletics,big spending, etc,,,
they investigated steroids, this would be at least a legit issue to investigate
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to Alahunter
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Alahunter
"Unprecedented" NCAA penalties for Penn State to be announced Mon. at 9AM EST
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In reality, they get screwed over more than anybody else in the country.
Find me another "job" where somebody gets paid so little(scholarship, stipend, etc) vs the amount of money they generate and thus the value they would get on an open market.
What a freaking idiot you are.
1 yr tuitions for:
Public, four-year or above:
Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus: $15,250
Add in dorms, food, training they get and access to gyms, pools and other incidentals that normal people have to pay for.
Then go and see what the free market pays.. because, you know.. they can go play pro football out of high school... Arena league, cfb.. european...
They get close to $100,000 in benefits to play a game, and hone their talents into a possible multi million talent. Give me a break about the poor athlete crap
Not to mention that if you graduate from the University of Alabama and have any personalty whatsoever, you will be able to write your own ticket in the state professionally if you can put Alabama Football Player on your resume.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to Rocket
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Not when you consider that Carroll knew the rules and what the penalties could be.
Again, you're talking about Carroll.
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I'm pretty sure it's been a standard clause in coaching contracts.
It is and rightfully so.
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To put the entire organization/institution/program on notice and future leaders on notice. The players on scholarship get to keep their scholarships. All they give up is post season play in most cases.
Put them on notice by fining the shite out of them. They'll most likely fire the coach. Revoke the players' eligibility for those involved directly. That way you cover the school, the coach (if involved), and players involved.
Bowl games can showcase a player to get some hype for the draft. Look at Sanchez. Heck, look as JaMarcus, the Sugar Bowl vaulted him to the #1 pick. It obviously isn't ALWAYS the case, but it can hamper the current players' futures.
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Again, to let everyone involved know the serious of the infractions.
My idea would let everyone involved know. The current system lets Bush and Carroll get off with no repercussion and harms those not involved.
If the NCAA can't pop the coach and/or player then oh well. They can still fine the school. No reason to punish the uninvolved just for the sake of making a statement.
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It's not like players lose scholarships in most cases.
It is a possibility though. School could lose 10 schollies and have to cut players to get under their limits. The way the NCAA drug arse with USC could affect incoming players and younger guys.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:43 pm to bingo
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:44 pm to Srbtiger06
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Do you not see the can of worms a 'ethics clause' opens up?
So we are to allow every member institution to not a bid by the ethics code?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:44 pm to genro
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YOU ARE JEALOUS YOU ARE A LIBERAL I AM SEXECUTIONER THE PUGNACIOUS 14 YEAR OLD AND EVERYTHING I'VE SAID IN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN COMPLETELY ASININE
I always seriously consider the thoughts coming from someone calling himself Sexecutioner.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:44 pm to blzr
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Penn State will be fined b/w $30 million to $60 million, sources told @CBSSports LINK
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The record fine will go toward an endowment for children's causes, sources said.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:45 pm to MOT
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The NCAA does not have the authority to levy a fine and a probationary period is what they received. USC's bowl ban hurt USC more than it hurt the current players, Bush, and Caroll...that is a fact and that is the point.
Like I've said, get the power. Lose the non-profit status or cut the bullshite.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:46 pm to BamaGradinTn
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It is relevant to the extent that loss of accreditation would mean loss of membership in the NCAA.
Which isn't really relevant. That's down the road, not now.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:47 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Not to mention that if you graduate from the University of Alabama and have any personalty whatsoever, you will be able to write your own ticket in the state professionally if you can put Alabama Football Player on your resume.
I'm not arguing that not being able to play football is better than being able to play ball. All I'm saying is that they are getting screwed(which I'm defining as not getting what they deserve in an open market) by the NCAA from getting what they deserve.
What are your professions? You wouldn't feel screwed if some governing body capped the amount that your employer could pay you?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:47 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So we are to allow every member institution to not a bid by the ethics code?
Abide?
Like I said, it is a slippery slope. The ethics here aren't directly football related. The people involved were part of the football program, but they weren't skirting football rules or ethics. I can see both sides of the discussion though.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:48 pm to TDawg1313
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Penn State will be fined b/w $30 million to $60 million, sources told @CBSSports LINK
So about that no fine thing...
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:49 pm to Srbtiger06
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Like I've said, get the power
You've been arguing they have too much power and now you want to give them more?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:52 pm to MOT
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You've been arguing they have too much power and now you want to give them more?
Nice of you to selectively quote. I said get the power to fine and then use THAT as your punishment. Establish clear cut rules rather than ambiguous by-laws. Govern on RULE...not subjective clauses.
The NCAA is terribly inconsistent. I just want more reason to the rhyme.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:52 pm to Srbtiger06
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Per Dodd, a person with knowledge of the process said there is a way to impact Penn State's competitive ability in football without applying the so-called “death penalty.” That term could be mere semantics by the time the NCAA sanctions are announced according to a source. Penn State, the source said, may prefer the death penalty.
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"This is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal like (what) happened at SMU, or anything else we've dealt with. This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem. There have been people that said this wasn't a football scandal," Emmert told PBS. "Well, it was more than a football scandal, much more than a football scandal. It was that but much more. And we'll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don't know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case, because it's really an unprecedented problem."
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:53 pm to Srbtiger06
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Again, you're talking about Carroll
Of course.
The punishment the entire program received really isn't that harsh.
The players really aren't that hurt.
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Put them on notice by fining the shite out of them
That could be a future penalty.
But in a way, they are fined by not being able to get the revenue of playing in a bowl would bring.
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They'll most likely fire the coach. Revoke the players' eligibility for those involved directly. That way you cover the school, the coach (if involved), and players involved.
I don't know that those penalties would be enough of a deterrent if only those involved get punished. As a coach, I'm gonna be extra careful not to violate any rules if the entire program gets sanctions versus just me losing my job.
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The current system lets Bush and Carroll get off with no repercussion and harms those not involved.
Bush and Carroll were getting off anyway because of the timetable of the investigation versus when the violations occured.
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No reason to punish the uninvolved just for the sake of making a statement.
There is a reason. Would you want to be the coach or player that got the entire program put on sanctions? I wouldn't.
With as many assholes out there, it's about as stiff a deterrent as possible.
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School could lose 10 schollies and have to cut players to get under their limits
It doesn't work that way.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:54 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:Yeah if I went into a situation knowing ahead of time that I would get a free world-class education for playing a sport, and I could quit anytime I want, I would totally feel screwed.
What are your professions? You wouldn't feel screwed if some governing body capped the amount that your employer could pay you?
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:58 pm to Rocket
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The players really aren't that hurt.
They aren't THAT hurt...but it affects them.
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hat could be a future penalty.
But in a way, they are fined by not being able to get the revenue of playing in a bowl would bring.
Which is my suggestion. The bowl revenue, again, affects players.
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I don't know that those penalties would be enough of a deterrent if only those involved get punished. As a coach, I'm gonna be extra careful not to violate any rules if the entire program gets sanctions versus just me losing my job.
They have a ton of teams participating under the NCAA banner now and major sanctions aren't frequent in the big picture. You can't stamp out everything.
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Bush and Carroll were getting off anyway because of the timetable of the investigation versus when the violations occured.
Which is the NCAA's fault. Not USC's or the current players.
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There is a reason. Would you want to be the coach or player that got the entire program put on sanctions? I wouldn't.
With as many assholes out there, it's about as stiff a deterrent as possible.
Like I said, I'm sure Bush and Carroll and the lot are just devastated and crushed that they hurt USC and can't find employment.
The coach and player would still put the school on probation and fined.
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