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re: Penn State is in a bad way

Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:17 pm to
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There is no correlation between recruiting rankings and success
lmao
Posted by LSUBoo
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:42 pm to
Let's ask AI...

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The average four-year recruiting rank for college football champions is consistently high, with many analyses showing averages within the top 10 nationally. A 2025 analysis found the average four-year recruiting rank for national champions over a 20-year period was 5.9, and 16 of the 20 champions had an average four-year rank of 7.8 or better.

Another study notes that all five national champions in the College Football Playoff era had a top-10 recruiting class for the season they won the title.

Key findings on champion recruiting
Consistently top-tier: Champions consistently recruit at an elite level, with most having a top-10 average over a four-year period.

Four-year average: A deep dive into 20 national champions found their average four-year recruiting rank was 5.9, with 16 teams averaging better than 7.8.

Playoff era trend: Every national champion since the inception of the College Football Playoff has had a top-10 recruiting class in the season they won.

Strong depth: Elite recruiting provides the depth needed for a long season and greater competition in practice.

Blue-chip ratio: Another metric, the blue-chip ratio (the percentage of four- and five-star recruits), is also consistently high for champions, with some analyses finding champions have had a blue-chip ratio above 50%.

Talent is crucial: While development is important, elite recruiting is the foundation. Without a high number of top recruits, it is extremely difficult to win a national title, even with excellent coaching.
Posted by Pizza Dan
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:04 pm to
Perfect job for Brian Kelly.
Posted by TigersHuskers
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:05 pm to
They pulled a Nebraska. This is their Frank Solich moment
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:09 pm to
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hasn't had great correlation for LSU over the last 5 years



Heisman winner and a trip to ATL.


Y'all been to an SEC championship game yet?
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:11 pm to
They will rue the day they fired James Franklin 10 months removed from a semi-final appearance.

This was their Solich moment. Like Nebraska, Penn State will never be the top program they were before they shite-canned Franklin . And like Nebraska, their hubris is the reason.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:14 pm to
PSU cult didn’t realize A&M and BYU cults could beat them in a bidding war.
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by nola tiger lsu
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:30 pm to
They need Prime. He would fix that right up.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:31 pm to
Pete Giftopolous should get a call.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:33 pm to
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Pat Kraft fired James Franklin to start the Penn State search as early as possible…

Spoke to Urban, NIL disagreements

Elko was close, couldn’t close

Spoke to Cignetti, Rhule, Freeman, Drinkwitz, and Lea. Struck out.

Banked on an Iron Bowl loss to full court press DeBoer

Lincoln’s agent pulled his name from consideration on Sunday

Tried to take Sitake from Provo

Lost Chesney along the way

Now what?
Posted by StansberryRules
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:36 pm to
Firing Franklin with absolutely no plan was insanely stupid. Knee jerk reaction
Posted by Free888
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:39 pm to
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Firing Franklin with absolutely no plan was insanely stupid. Knee jerk reaction


Pat Kraft completely mishandled this. It may end up costing him his job. My guess is they end up with an NFL coordinator. There’s no college coach left that’s worth it.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:39 pm to
Posted by deltadummy
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

There is no correlation between recruiting rankings and success


Posted by CalLSU
Shreveport, la
Member since Feb 2009
911 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 4:51 pm to
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There is no correlation between recruiting rankings and success


I think what you mean to say is recruiting rankings don't guarantee success. You would be correct. However, saying that there is no correlation is wrong. Let's take the current top 10 and just compare them to where they were ranked for the last 4 recruiting classes going backwards from 2025 and ending in 2022, per 247:
Ohio State - 4, 5, 5, 4
Indiana - not in top 25, not in top 25, not in top 25, 25
Georgia - 2, 1, 2, 3
Oregon - 5, 3, 8, 13
Texas Tech - not in top 25, 24, not ranked in top 25, not in top 25
Ole Miss - 16, 21, not ranked in top 25, not in top 25
Texas A&M - 9, 19, 15, 1
Oklahoma - 17, 8, 4, 8
Notre Dame - 12, 9, 10, 7
Alabama - 3, 2, 1, 2

So as you can see, of the top 10, only 3 of the teams had any seasons not ranked in the top 25. Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State had top 10 rankings every single year and of the 10, 7 were ranked in the top 25 every single year with all 7 being ranked in the top 20 every single year. Of course there will be outliers, I am thinking of LSU and Texas, who have consistently great recruiting classes but don't have near the success those classes would indicate. While it is not an exact, all the time correlation, this is a good indication of why teams like Georgia, Alabama, Notre Dame, OSU and Oregon are consistently in the top 10-15 every single year.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:05 pm to
Don't see how that changes anything I said
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:10 pm to
lol...

Weren't they #2 at one point this season?

Now a recruiting class one spot below Harvard?

Yikes...
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:23 pm to
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There is no correlation between recruiting rankings and success


Yeah that's why since 247 started tracking talent composite in 2015 every national champion ranked top 14
Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
10118 posts
Posted on 12/2/25 at 5:27 pm to


Will also steal your coach and drink your milkshake.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 5:28 pm
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