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re: Now that players are getting paid for NIL should they have to pay for tuition ?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:17 am to supersaints9
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:17 am to supersaints9
I say no, and here's my viewpoint on it:
Even though they are not employees (of the school) I'm drawing an imperfect correlation to employees vs. employers in the open market. If an employer requires a piece of equipment (hard hat for example) then the employer must provide that piece of equipment. So, again acknowledging a very imperfect comparison, if players are required to register, attend, and pass a certain amount/volume of courses- then they shouldn't have to pay for those classes.
I also agree with the poster who said this is about adding value, not subtracting or punishing those with more value (anybody want to attempt to apply the word "equity" to that statement/situation on the poli board?).
However, this whole thing raises some interesting questions for me:
1. So is a financial planner, CPA, or tax consultant considered provided by the school considered "impermissible benefits"? Those making bank on their NIL will have to pay taxes on that bank. I hope they realize that. Some are not equipped to handle it; there's a whole support system for professionals for that. That support system doesn't exist for college players. We don't want our blue chippers having to go face an IRS audit instead of full-contact day the week of the Auburn game, or in court with a felony charge.
2. [Spin Off of OP's Question] So if making $ off of NIL while attending LSU (or any school) and the player quits, flunks out, gets suspended, opts out, transfers, or any similar "breech of commitment", within their control that is, should they have to repay tuition? What about stipend? What about ancillaries?
Even though they are not employees (of the school) I'm drawing an imperfect correlation to employees vs. employers in the open market. If an employer requires a piece of equipment (hard hat for example) then the employer must provide that piece of equipment. So, again acknowledging a very imperfect comparison, if players are required to register, attend, and pass a certain amount/volume of courses- then they shouldn't have to pay for those classes.
I also agree with the poster who said this is about adding value, not subtracting or punishing those with more value (anybody want to attempt to apply the word "equity" to that statement/situation on the poli board?).
However, this whole thing raises some interesting questions for me:
1. So is a financial planner, CPA, or tax consultant considered provided by the school considered "impermissible benefits"? Those making bank on their NIL will have to pay taxes on that bank. I hope they realize that. Some are not equipped to handle it; there's a whole support system for professionals for that. That support system doesn't exist for college players. We don't want our blue chippers having to go face an IRS audit instead of full-contact day the week of the Auburn game, or in court with a felony charge.
2. [Spin Off of OP's Question] So if making $ off of NIL while attending LSU (or any school) and the player quits, flunks out, gets suspended, opts out, transfers, or any similar "breech of commitment", within their control that is, should they have to repay tuition? What about stipend? What about ancillaries?
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Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:18 am to supersaints9
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Now that players are getting paid for NIL should they have to pay for tuition ?
Of course not and LA NIL law specifically prohibits it. Should a student on academic scholarship pay back LSU for money he/she makes at a part time job?
I could see this changing in the future when the players unionize and want to go after the TV money though.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:19 am to I20goon
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2. [Spin Off of OP's Question] So if making $ off of NIL while attending LSU (or any school) and the player quits, flunks out, gets suspended, opts out, transfers, or any similar "breech of commitment", within their control that is, should they have to repay tuition? What about stipend? What about ancillaries?
Do we make anyone that doesn't graduate pay back scholarship currently? Why would that change?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:21 am to LSUcajun77
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Is this all the fricking message board is going to be about now? What player is making what money?
Without a doubt
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:23 am to H-Town Tiger
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You think big businesses will not have their in stadium ads now? What other advertising revenue is LSU making?
I think the willingness to pay for brand advertising adjacent to LSU will be less than what it would be without NIL.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:27 am to supersaints9
So you are suggesting that athletes pay to make the schools millions?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:29 am to lsu711
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I think the willingness to pay for brand advertising adjacent to LSU will be less than what it would be without NIL.
Why though? The school is still the big ticket item here. You will get maybe a handful of players each year that are worthy of any sizeable NIL investment, but the big advertising return is always going to come from LSU, never an individual player. If a business sees an opportunity with a specific player, it will do that in addition to whatever they do with LSU already, not in place of.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:29 am to LNCHBOX
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2. [Spin Off of OP's Question] So if making $ off of NIL while attending LSU (or any school) and the player quits, flunks out, gets suspended, opts out, transfers, or any similar "breech of commitment", within their control that is, should they have to repay tuition? What about stipend? What about ancillaries?
quote:Well, let's be very frank and the NIL ruling acknowledges this: It isn't about graduating.
Do we make anyone that doesn't graduate pay back scholarship currently? Why would that change?
It is about players providing a service that several entities (the NCAA, the conference, the school) are making alot, boat loads, of money off of.
So throw graduating out... has absolutely nothing to do with school. Most that will benefit from the NIL ruling didn't come to LSU to "play school". We're long past pretending that it is, and we all know it. It's about providing that service. If the service isn't provided, then the compensation maybe shouldn't be either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying this should be the case. My personal viewpoint is that you get tuition paid while attending, and playing- providing the service, so it shouldn't be required to be repaid. To me that's the equivalent of working a 40 hr. week, getting paid, and having to pay it back if you quit the next week. Obviously ridiculous. However, in this case there's 3 differences from that parallel that is why, maybe, that question should be considered:
1. Tuition via scholarship is public money
2. There was a commitment, some might even say contract
3. There is now 3rd party compensation introduced- NIL $ (I did say IF the player received $ off of NIL while attending- so it doesn't apply to every player).
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:32 am to I20goon
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Well, let's be very frank and the NIL ruling acknowledges this: It isn't about graduating.
It is about players providing a service that several entities (the NCAA, the conference, the school) are making alot, boat loads, of money off of.
So throw graduating out... has absolutely nothing to do with school. Most that will benefit from the NIL ruling didn't come to LSU to "play school". We're long past pretending that it is, and we all know it. It's about providing that service. If the service isn't provided, then the compensation maybe shouldn't be either.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily saying this should be the case. My personal viewpoint is that you get tuition paid while attending, and playing- providing the service, so it shouldn't be required to be repaid. To me that's the equivalent of working a 40 hr. week, getting paid, and having to pay it back if you quit the next week. Obviously ridiculous. However, in this case there's 3 differences from that parallel that is why, maybe, that question should be considered:
1. Tuition via scholarship is public money
2. There was a commitment, some might even say contract
3. There is now 3rd party compensation introduced- NIL $ (I did say IF the player received $ off of NIL while attending- so it doesn't apply to every player).
I'm failing to see why repayment of funds would be on the table here. Do you repay your employer when they fire you? Do you repay them when you leave for whatever reason? Why would that happen here?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:36 am to Brobocop
FU Brobocop, you entitled punk.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:37 am to I20goon
quote:
1. Tuition via scholarship is public money
2. There was a commitment, some might even say contract
3. There is now 3rd party compensation introduced- NIL $ (I did say IF the player received $ off of NIL while attending- so it doesn't apply to every player).
none of this applies to academic scholarships, not sure why they would apply this to athletic scholarships
Posted on 7/1/21 at 10:02 am to supersaints9
I really don’t understand why so many of y’all are so salty about college athletes making some extra money. No one is begrudging you any potential avenues to earn money.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 10:07 am to GorgeousGeorge
Lots of people are afraid of change.
They would rather the business side of college athletics remain unseen and in the shadows and have this illusion that college athletics are still pure and "for the love of the game".
They would rather the business side of college athletics remain unseen and in the shadows and have this illusion that college athletics are still pure and "for the love of the game".
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:25 am to supersaints9
ROFL!
Yeah, do that and you will never get another star player again.
Yeah, do that and you will never get another star player again.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:27 am to supersaints9
The 3 football players and 1 other athlete from LSU that will make any amount of money through NIL? This will not be that big of a deal.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:30 am to supersaints9
No.
The scholarship is the school’s best offering to convince them to come to their school and market the university through their participation in athletics
The scholarship is the school’s best offering to convince them to come to their school and market the university through their participation in athletics
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:33 am to lsu711
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I think the willingness to pay for brand advertising adjacent to LSU will be less than what it would be without NIL.
again i fail to see why or. For starters how does LSU make advertising revenue? Selling ads in the stadium, something being the official whatever of LSU? what else? Yo think say Canes would cancel their in stadium billboards or official sponsorship of LSU athletics because they can get Derek Stingley on a billboard? Coaches have long be able to profit from their NIL has that hurt the colleges? Its not a zero sum game
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:34 am to LNCHBOX
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Do you repay your employer when they fire you? Do you repay them when you leave for whatever reason?
So the athletes are employees now and no longer students? Got it . Just like I said before it’s a business now
Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:35 am to supersaints9
Jesus, you're dumb 
surprised you even came back to this thread
surprised you even came back to this thread Posted on 7/1/21 at 11:42 am to Salmon
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Lots of people are afraid of change.
This right here
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this illusion that college athletics are still pure and "for the love of the game".
the whole idea of "amateurism" mostly comes from British Aristocracy, the rich men of lesiure. Tennis didn't become fully professional until the late 60's
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