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re: Now that players are getting paid for NIL should they have to pay for tuition ?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 8:54 am to supersaints9
Posted on 7/1/21 at 8:54 am to supersaints9
This is dumb. Even for Tigerdroppings this is dumb.
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Posted on 7/1/21 at 8:55 am to lsu711
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It may not be $1 for $1, but NIL will cut into LSU’s advertising and sponsorship revenue.
I fail to see how
You think big businesses will not have their in stadium ads now? What other advertising revenue is LSU making?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:00 am to mwade91383
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No, and it's not a valid point. NIL deals exist because the free market deems they are worth MORE not less.
Why would the school arbitrarily punish some of their best and brightest by making them pay for a history class?
In the real world, "free market" does not include getting stuff for free. If we're going to abolish the whole point of amateurism, then I don't see why athletic scholarships should still be given out.
I'm fine with kids making money off of their autographs if they want to sell them. Because that's capitalism, that's your work in selling those things. But to say they need a cut of what every store makes from selling their jersey, that they (the athletes) didn't make, is turning this whole thing into a business. You're now "earning" money for basically being popular, by way of being good at your sport, which is what athletic scholarships were created for.
There are so many jobs out there that are actually important; that provide a SERVICE, unlike sports, but those people won't make a dime off their likenesses, because they aren't public figures. Ok, fine. Let the athletes make their money. But don't tell me they still need a scholarship.
I know full well how the responses to this will go. "That's not fair to punish them for being good". If things were "fair" college sports never would have existed to give kids a chance to make a living off of playing games. Everyone else has to grind their way to a degree and then hope someone will hire them. They don't get to showcase their skills on national television for countless employers to see. These athletes are getting paid in two ways now, and they don't even have to be remotely good enough in their studies to get a real job. They just have to do enough to pass. So don't talk to me about fairness.
Bottom line: If athletes feel they deserve to be paid now, then they should all skip college and go straight to the pros. No minor leagues for football players? Go play in Canada. The college model cannot sustain this NIL crap. It will poison the whole thing.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:01 am to Metaloctopus
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In the real world, "free market" does not include getting stuff for free.
Lots of jobs offer full pay (ie scholarship) to employees to go back to school, so you've already failed countering his point
This post was edited on 7/1/21 at 9:02 am
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:04 am to LNCHBOX
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Lots of jobs offer full pay (ie scholarship) to employees to go back to school, so you've already failed countering his point
Those are choices made by individual employers. It's not part of free market. Free market does not stipulate that you "deserve" a scholarship.
Do you understand that?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:04 am to supersaints9
Too many rules us why we are where we are now.
If it were true capitalism schools would compete for talent just as Exxon competes for talent against Shell or Ford competes against GM,
The system has been broken for years now because of rules limiting compensation, limiting the number of players, limiting the number of Assaf. coaches and even limiting the number of sports all while revenues kept getting larger and larger and larger.
In 1973 NCAA placed a 105 scholarship limitation on football. That was reduced to 95 in 1978 and down to the current 85 in 1992. Meanwhile revenues soared but the schools did not elect to increase scholarship numbers. Instead coaches and administrators hit big bumps. More and more coaches and administrators were hired and shadow staffs were formed to get around the rules.
Now the damn had burst. The SC has ruled against this monopoly and said the players have rights too.
If it were true capitalism schools would compete for talent just as Exxon competes for talent against Shell or Ford competes against GM,
The system has been broken for years now because of rules limiting compensation, limiting the number of players, limiting the number of Assaf. coaches and even limiting the number of sports all while revenues kept getting larger and larger and larger.
In 1973 NCAA placed a 105 scholarship limitation on football. That was reduced to 95 in 1978 and down to the current 85 in 1992. Meanwhile revenues soared but the schools did not elect to increase scholarship numbers. Instead coaches and administrators hit big bumps. More and more coaches and administrators were hired and shadow staffs were formed to get around the rules.
Now the damn had burst. The SC has ruled against this monopoly and said the players have rights too.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:05 am to Metaloctopus
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Those are choices made by individual employers. It's not part of free market. Free market does not stipulate that you "deserve" a scholarship.
Do you understand that?
This thread just gets dumber and dumber
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:06 am to supersaints9
quote:You have a point. The public aint going to agree with it
It’s all about business!
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:08 am to extremelsu
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You have a point.
His point is that they should reduce the compensation package for the high earners, but allow the non earners to keep their full compensation package.
In what business world does this make sense to you?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:09 am to LNCHBOX
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This thread just gets dumber and dumber
Quality non-response.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:10 am to red sox fan 13
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If a student on an academic scholarship has a job, should they pay for tuition?
/thread
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:10 am to Metaloctopus
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n the real world, "free market" does not include getting stuff for free
Just when i think this thread can't get any dumber
Do you know how many companies offer: parking, lunch any number of "free" things
But that's still not the point, the school IS NOT PAYING THE NIL
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But to say they need a cut of what every store makes from selling their jersey, that they (the athletes) didn't make
So you think LSU #9 jersey was popular because people like the #9 and not because of the Heisman winning QB?
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ou're now "earning" money for basically being popular, by way of being good at your sport, which is what athletic scholarships were created for.
that is not at all why scholarships were created
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ottom line: If athletes feel they deserve to be paid now, then they should all skip college and go straight to the pros. No minor leagues for football players? Go play in Canada.
what an unbelievably stupid thing to say
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The college model cannot sustain this NIL crap. It will poison the whole thing.
the bottom line is people like you don't like change, you are the old man screaming at the cloud
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:10 am to Metaloctopus
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Quality non-response.
It was all your post merited.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:10 am to supersaints9
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I think it’s a valid point
I bet you do. Seems like you and many others are mega butthurt that kids, many of whom are black and come from low-income households, now have a chance to make a little bit of money while they play college sports.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:11 am to supersaints9
Coach O to recruit - LSU will take credit for your NIL income against your scholarship money.
Nick Saban to recruit: You get your NIL income and Alabama covers your scholarship money.
Who does he sign with?
Please think through these ideas before posting.
Nick Saban to recruit: You get your NIL income and Alabama covers your scholarship money.
Who does he sign with?
Please think through these ideas before posting.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:11 am to Damone
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many of whom are black
Do you leftists ever not play the race card?
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:12 am to Metaloctopus
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Free market does not stipulate that you "deserve" a scholarship.
which is why not everyone gets scholarships
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:12 am to supersaints9
Yes, and I think Bama should be the first school to stop offering these players scholarships.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:14 am to Salmon
Someone mentioning the free market? Oh yeah, now we're cooking with gas.
Posted on 7/1/21 at 9:14 am to supersaints9
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I think it’s a valid point .
No, it absolutely is not.
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