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re: Nick Saban Coaching Tree

Posted on 1/19/21 at 6:20 am to
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20424 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 6:20 am to
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He sucked in the pros because the players are even. He has to have a talent advantage to be successful.


He didn’t suck he just wasn’t great, and the players aren’t even. You are wrong. He left because you can’t game the system in the Pro’s like you can in college. In college you can out recruit everyone and in 2-3 years have the best team. It takes a lot of luck and a lot of good negotiation skills to have a long term great team in the NFL.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95192 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 6:24 am to
In addition to that, pros didn’t put up with his “Nicktator” bullshite because he couldn’t threaten to replace them with some kid who got offered a Charger.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 6:46 am to
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The only people who think he sucked are jealous L1U fans
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9412 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 11:31 am to
Saban can only win if he vastly out talents his opponents. See LSU/Bama and MSU/Dolphins for your examples.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101915 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:01 pm to
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And yet the only other coach in that tree to be successful is Kirby Smart.


Don't count out Billy Napier just yet.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
29402 posts
Posted on 1/19/21 at 12:03 pm to
He didnt suck bad as an nfl coach. He would have done fine eventually
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29185 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 10:46 am to
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So yes, I looked at which job would help me to reach my goals better.


Nope. You realized you couldn’t cut it where you were.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11160 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:10 pm to
You don’t win consistently in the NFL without a QB, a defense or preferably both.

He didn’t have either and realized he didn’t enjoy it as much as he did the college game where you have roster control and more authority over the players.

I think that fear of not having control kept him from jumping to Texas after they offered him a golden ticket financially.
Posted by Zendog
Santa Barbara
Member since Feb 2019
4480 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:46 pm to
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Saban can only win if he vastly out talents his opponents. See LSU/Bama and MSU/Dolphins for your examples.


Last time I looked "recruiting" was part of being a college coach
Posted by UltimaParadox
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
40847 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

Saban can only win if he vastly out talents his opponents


According to recruiting services... Georgia had the most talented roster this year
Posted by BamaDude06
GOATville20
Member since Jan 2007
3475 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:50 pm to
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Richt had 0 NY6 bowl victories his last
5 years and Kirby has 3 and double the amount of top 10's and top 5' in the same period.


You're right they aren't the same. Richt had two SEC Championships by the end of his fifth season. Kirby just has the one.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38376 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:20 pm to
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Saban can only win if he vastly out talents his opponents


He went 12-0 in the SEC in 2008 with Shula’s 3 stars and John Parker Wilson at QB and won the natty the next season.

Better for people to think you’re a dumbass than posting something like that to remove all doubt
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 2:21 pm
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
3763 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:44 pm to
Who’s doing better than Saban right now at growing and catapulting coaches into better jobs?
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81261 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:02 pm to
He didn't have a QB bc he chose Culpepper over Brees. Then blamed the medical staff after it became clear.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26720 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 10:35 pm to
“Coaching trees” are often nonsense, unless the guy discovered you and really groomed your career.

I don’t consider Jimbo part of the Saban tree. If anything, he’s more a Bowden guy.

Muschamp only coached with Saban 4 years.

Kiffin and Sark both have more years with Pete Carroll than with Saban. Which tree are they from?

This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18981 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:15 am to
Considering he hasnt been a HC for no anywhere near the amount of time Jim Harbaugh's coaching tree is maybe more impressive
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 1:37 am
Posted by Snoop Dawg
Member since Sep 2009
2184 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:39 am to
It’s the Don James coaching tree.

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30070 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:55 am to
quote:

Saban can only win if he vastly out talents his opponents. See LSU/Bama and MSU/Dolphins for your examples.


Another idiot who didn't look at Miami's record immediately before and after Saban's tenure with the Dolphins.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
18981 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 7:35 am to
Vic Fangio
Jim Tomsula
Derek Mason
David Shaw
Mike Sanford
DJ Durkin
Jedd Fisch
Brian Polian
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
6313 posts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:42 am to
The last limb on Bryant's coaching tree is Arians. I think he's the only coach left that coached under him.
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