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re: MLB Trade Discussion Thread - Greinke to the Astros

Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:52 pm to
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So the Astros shouldn't try to improve and make a trade for another starter? You should always try to improve your odds of winning and not rely on lady luck to make that happen for you.

Weird take.


Of course they should try to improve. They shouldn't, however, trade guys that they think will help consistently win the division over the next half-decade for a rental. So if they really think that Tucker, Whitley, Beer, Rojas, etc. are the guys that will keep a division title streak going, don't move them.

Also, adding a guy that's going to be a 3rd or 4th starter doesn't really change the odds. Adding an ace like Verlander does, and since he had more control that trade also goes toward that goal of consistently winning the division.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:55 pm to
See the difference here is that Vasquez is not a rental nor would the Dodgers be mortgaging their future. The circumstances here are different.

Now with a rental player, I definitely get the point. It doesn't apply here.

Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:56 pm to
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The Washington #Nats get at least one reliever by swinging a trade for #Jays veteran Daniel Hudson, per @ScottyMitchTSN
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Source confirms: #Nationals get Daniel Hudson from #BlueJays for Kyle Johnson. First reported: Scott Mitchell of TSN in Canada.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 12:59 pm to
Current chatter might have you think Yankees are having trouble locking down a starter and instead might go the way of a SuperPen.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:00 pm to
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The Braves only winning one in their whole run is an anomaly. Same with the Bills losing 4 Super Bowls in a row.


Exactly. The Braves could have just as easily had 3 WS titles if not for two fluke plays. Adding a player or two wouldn't have likely changed that.

From Atlanta's perspective, there are 4 pitchers right now that would be pencilled in to their postseason starting rotation....Soroka, Keuchel, Teheran, and Fried. If you can find a starting pitcher that is clearly better than one of those 4, then great...go get him. But that ain't Tanner Roark, that ain't Mike Minor, that ain't most of the guys who were rumored to be available.

Yeah, you lengthen your rotation for the regular season and have a good arm at all 5 spots, but they are likely going to win the division with what they have already. The goal is to win post season series. There's no point in mortgaging the future so that you can have 5 solid starters instead of 4. 4 is easily enough to get to the playoffs.
Posted by geauxtigs99
NY
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:04 pm to
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Current chatter might have you think Yankees are having trouble locking down a starter and instead might go the way of a SuperPen.


Apparently whenever they inquire teams are starting with wanting Gleyber Torres. I am all for making a trade to put you on point to win a WS but with what’s available that is crazy. Super pen with Severino and Betances possibly coming back to help pen might be the best option.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104052 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:05 pm to
I was speaking more in general terms as opposed to that specific deal.
Posted by BearCrocs
Member since Aug 2013
8503 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:16 pm to
Going into 2020, The astros will only have Verlander unless they sign Miley and Cole.

I say trade for another SP this year and go get the damn ring.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
41214 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:17 pm to
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#Brewers and #SFGiants in agreement on significant trade, sources tell The Athletic. Mauricio Dubon to San Francisco.
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
24552 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:17 pm to
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#Brewers and #SFGiants  in agreement on significant trade, sources tell The Athletic. Mauricio Dubon to San Francisco.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
32077 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:18 pm to
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The Washington Nationals have acquired RP Daniel Hudson from the Toronto Blue Jays, in exchange for P Kyle Johnston.


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#Nationals close to acquiring LH Roenis Elias from #Mariners, source tells The Athletic. Would join Daniel Hudson as bullpen addition.
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:18 pm to
Verlander and Lance mccullers. Only 2 SP under control beyond this season. Obviously urquidy, whitley may be options but that's a thin cupboard.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:19 pm to
oh boy
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63413 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:19 pm to
I’m guessing that’s Bumgarner?

Or maybe Will Smith
This post was edited on 7/31/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150151 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:20 pm to
ahhaahahahahaha i didnt read the full tweet
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:21 pm to
Madbum gone
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63413 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:21 pm to
I mean there has to be a major league player headed to Milwaukee right
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84316 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:21 pm to
The Giants are preparing for potential roster-altering trades today by bringing multiple minor league pitchers to Philadelphia on the taxi squad (via @PavlovicNBCS)
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
24552 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:22 pm to
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The Brewers significant trade does not involve MadBum I am told
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84316 posts
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:22 pm to
@jonmorosi
Madison Bumgarner is *not* going to the Brewers.
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