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re: MLB has to adapt or the league is going to die
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:05 am to Undertow
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:05 am to Undertow
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The worst thing about MLB is the payroll discrepancy. Team's gross revenue shouldnt be less than other team's payroll.
MLB will forever be a joke, until it rectifies this.
It’s always been this way though. Baseball has never had a salary cap. It’s haves and have nots. The competitive balance today is actually better than it was years ago. The analytics is what has changed the game.
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:13 am to Saunson69
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World Series viewership:
1980 = 42 million viewers. 225 million people in the US. Nearly 25% of people watched the WS then
2023 = 9 million viewers. 333 million people in the US. 2.7% of people watch the WS.
25% to 2.7% today. That is staggering. Basically if a random group of 10 people watched the WS in 1980, only 1 of them remains to watch and the other 9 don't care anymore. Not for the fact of 1980 viewers dying by today, but just the reality of the rate.
You mean more people watched the same stuff back when there was only a handful of channels to watch?
The lost interest in sports/baseball has everything to do with the availability of other entertainment. Some of the folks that might have been forced to watch baseball can now stream Netflix or Hulu.
Also, culturally speaking, fewer people grow up liking/playing baseball, so they never watch or follow it as a hobby to begin with whereas 30-40 years ago everyone watched baseball as a family.
Now, mom, dad, brother, sister can all watch different content simultaneously. No more family nights watching the Brady Bunch or Leave it to Beaver.
Your single mom isn't watching family shows, she's watching the Bachelorette and the Kardashians. Dad is watching reruns of Walker Texas Ranger or sports shows, kids are watching anime.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:17 am
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:31 am to Allthatfades
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It’s just a totally different game now. The pitch clock helped, but launch angle and analytics killed the sport. There are too few balls in play. Too little action. Too many strikeouts. Very little strategy anymore. No more bunts, hit and runs, double switches. I still watch the postseason, but it’s a just a very different game than the one most of us grew up with
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analytics
frick that word with a barbed-wire studded baseball bat
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:37 am to Saunson69
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I think the MLB should lower the mound to ground level and move the pitching mound back 5 feet.
OP wants beer league softball.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:40 am
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:40 am to Saunson69
quote:bullshite. People tune in to watch DOMINANT pitching, especially in the postseason. The problem with pitching today is they only average 4 innings then it becomes a bullpen fest which will absolutely drive people away. Nobody is going to latch on with a good middle reliever that throws 14 pitches to three batters for 2 outs then gets pulled because the analytics boss upstairs doesn't like the spray chart for that pitcher against a right hand batter while in an outdoor stadium west of the Mississippi River when the humidity is over 80% after a full moon.
People don't watch the MLB to see good pitching (besides the die hards).
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:41 am to BigD43
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MLB will forever be a joke
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:41 am to Allthatfades
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launch angle and analytics killed the sport.
This guy gets it.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:43 am
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:51 am to Allthatfades
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The pitch clock helped, but launch angle and analytics killed the sport. There are too few balls in play. Too little action. Too many strikeouts. Very little strategy anymore. No more bunts, hit and runs, double switches. I still watch the postseason, but it’s a just a very different game than the one most of us grew up with
Bingo, it’s a boring product now.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:59 am to PowerTool
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Now look up the viewership numbers for the final episode of M.A.S.H. and compare it to the viewership for the final episode of The Office - or anything on TV today.
This is a good point - one seldom brought up in this discussion but valid.
Baseball will never again be a game that galvanizes a nation, but it still has strong regional ties and loyalties. People watch their team.
I'm a Cub fan. I get the MLB package to watch the Cubs and I watch good parts of over 100 games a year. But I watch very, very little of any other MLB games unless it directly and significantly affects the Cubs.
Same with LSU, I watch almost all their games but if they are not in the CWS I have absolutely zero interest in watching.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:00 am to Allthatfades
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It’s just a totally different game now. The pitch clock helped, but launch angle and analytics killed the sport. There are too few balls in play. Too little action. Too many strikeouts. Very little strategy anymore. No more bunts, hit and runs, double switches. I still watch the postseason, but it’s a just a very different game than the one most of us grew up with
Just went to my first MLB game in years this past weekend and I felt like nothing happened. Almost all runs were scored on home runs and there were maybe a small amount of base runners the whole game. Felt incredibly dull. Home runs are cool but there was basically nothing else.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:02 am to grizzlylongcut
The anal litics tries to tell us that hitting .240 with mostly homers and doubles is better than hitting .350 with a ton of singles. Ichiro isn’t allowed in this new modern baseball.
0-2 count doesn’t matter, try to hit a home run still.
0-2 count doesn’t matter, try to hit a home run still.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:14 am to Saunson69
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World Series viewership:
1980 = 42 million viewers. 225 million people in the US. Nearly 25% of people watched the WS then
2023 = 9 million viewers. 333 million people in the US. 2.7% of people watch the WS.
In 1980, the vast majority of the population didn’t have cable yet. So most only had 4-5 channels they could pick up with rabbit ear antennas. World Series didn’t have many other viewing options to compete with back then. Plus football was limited to just Saturdays and Sundays and the NFL wasn’t playing on Sunday nights yet. So Saturday was the only day MLB had sports competition in prime time and it was only 1-2 games on other major networks. No cable TV with a dozen games to choose from.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:24 am to TXSTaggie
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I remember when the Astros won the WS on a Saturday night and it wasn’t even the main highlight of that night. It was LSU beating Bama at the same time as the Astros won the WS.
Are you sure that wasn’t just bias from specifically where you were located? I would think the World Series would be bigger nationally than a hyper regional college football game
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:30 am to Saunson69
MLB is fine. It’s nice going to games and not dealing with as many degenerate mouth breathers as you see at NFL and NBA games.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:39 am to Allthatfades
PED’s saved baseball once, it can save it again
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:44 am to Allthatfades
Re>launch angle … do you not think Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Reggie Jackson, etc., had hellacious launch angles when they hit the ball? Someone just put a name to something that has already existed for decades.
The thing about analytics is that with offense, pitching and defense, they are designed to maximize the mathematical probabilities of a successful outcome. They are not intended in any way to provide an entertaining product for fans.
But while teams should prioritize that which gives them the greatest probability of a successful outcome, there’s going to be problems if you don’t entertain the paying customers.
Here’s the rub though: 100 different fans will give you 100 different answers about what they find entertaining. And baseball fans romanticize the sport so much, it’s like they feel personally offended and angered if the sport deviates from the way they personally think it should be played, which generally is what they were exposed to at a young age or grew up playing.
I will plead guilty to my own biases, I hate today’s homer or nothing approach with all the strikeouts, but I prefer a power offense to Whitey Herzog small ball on turf, I have been watching baseball for close to 60 years but that crap almost drove me away from it, But again other fans love it. You’re not going to please everyone.
The thing about analytics is that with offense, pitching and defense, they are designed to maximize the mathematical probabilities of a successful outcome. They are not intended in any way to provide an entertaining product for fans.
But while teams should prioritize that which gives them the greatest probability of a successful outcome, there’s going to be problems if you don’t entertain the paying customers.
Here’s the rub though: 100 different fans will give you 100 different answers about what they find entertaining. And baseball fans romanticize the sport so much, it’s like they feel personally offended and angered if the sport deviates from the way they personally think it should be played, which generally is what they were exposed to at a young age or grew up playing.
I will plead guilty to my own biases, I hate today’s homer or nothing approach with all the strikeouts, but I prefer a power offense to Whitey Herzog small ball on turf, I have been watching baseball for close to 60 years but that crap almost drove me away from it, But again other fans love it. You’re not going to please everyone.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:00 am to Saunson69
Back the mound up but only about 2 feet.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:04 am to Saunson69
None of this is correct.
The MLB will die because Astros fans in Baton Rouge can't watch the Astros unless they have local cable
Braves fans in MS and AL can't watch the Braves unless they have local cable.
Absolutely fricking ridiculous if you spend $150 on MLB TV you are blocked from watching a team 4+ hours away
The MLB will die because Astros fans in Baton Rouge can't watch the Astros unless they have local cable
Braves fans in MS and AL can't watch the Braves unless they have local cable.
Absolutely fricking ridiculous if you spend $150 on MLB TV you are blocked from watching a team 4+ hours away
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:07 am to Allthatfades
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It’s just a totally different game now. The pitch clock helped, but launch angle and analytics killed the sport. There are too few balls in play. Too little action. Too many strikeouts. Very little strategy anymore. No more bunts, hit and runs, double switches. I still watch the postseason, but it’s a just a very different game than the one most of us grew up with
as usual people who have no clue wtf they are talking about
1) when yall say launch angle killed the game....you mean practicing to hit hard line drives or gap shots ruined the game? Simply put the data shows that to get a base hit 1/3 of the time you need to hit the ball at a certain speed and angle to have the best shot. That is what they are doing.
2) the strikeouts are because pitching has gotten fricking stupid and just sticking the bat out to just put the ball in play is essentially the same as a strikeout in todays game. The speed of the defense and range and ability has advanced to the point that it makes almost anything that a straight rope an out 99% of the time
also the shift hurt a lot because made everyone have to hit different than they naturally did
but the main reason is pitching is off the fricking charts
they dont bunt because of the speed of the fielders and ability of the arm.
more mlb players run 6.6 60y and throw 90+ across the infield than ever before. in the 80s and 90s were lucky if 1 infielder(usually SS) ran a 6.6 now almost all middle infielders and 3rd baseman do and many of the pitchers and catchers do too and almost all outfielders do.
I think yall dont understand the level of athlete in todays game and the effect that has had on the game overall
the analytics of pitching has also made it where lots of starting pitchers are only going through the line up once. then its reliever after reliever playing the match up
to be fair...i feel like the NFL had gotten somewhat like that. The defenses had gotten so good it was insane. then they changed the rules to allow more offense
MLB did the same with the pitch clock, the bases and the new shift rules. give it time and it will get better. Batters are just starting to catch up training-wise to pitchers. pitchers had about a 20 year head start. that is why pitchers want the new Trajekt Arc banned. which is bullshite because pitchers could see batters on the ipad and know tendencies over and over and sim the batter. Now batters finally can do the same
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:21 am to Saunson69
If/when Yankees ever make another WS, viewership will skyrocket.
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