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re: Manning, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers: A chart based on scoring defense
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:37 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:37 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Ok. This is good for my argument
Brady's birthday is August 3, 1977. He turned 28 on 8/3/05. He started SB XXXVI, XXXVIII and XXXIX, Super Bowl XXXIX was played on February 6, 2005. So that's 9 playoff starts before 28.
Brady Playoff stats before turning 28
63%------216 yds/game-----1.22tds/g---------.333int/game----92 avg rating
So, Bradys stats when he was younger, is actually better than his average. Meaning, he actually declined performance wise in the playoffs as he entered his prime..........
Boom, just give up
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:38 am to lsupride87
Give up what?
Brees will go down as stat accumulator.
Brady will do down as the GOAT.
/thread it's over with.
Brees will go down as stat accumulator.
Brady will do down as the GOAT.
/thread it's over with.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:39 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Life. Your most recent argument is Brady was hurt because he had to play more game when he was younger, not in his prime. Well, bradys was actually better in the playoffs when he was younger.........
Give up what?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:40 am to shel311
quote:
For the 2nd time, You pick a Brady 5 year playoff timeframe, i'll give you his numbers compared to Brees's total playoff numbers.
You cant be serious with this Brees could the GOAT shite? Lets look at something that QBs do have control over:
465 TDs to 220 ints (2.11 to 1) - Brees
539 TDs to 251 ints (2.15 to 1) - Manning
456 TDs to 152 ints (3 to 1) - Brady
297 TDs to 72 ints (4.13 to 1) - Rodgers
I was all aboard the Rodgers GOAT pain train, until the SB. Rodgers playing vs the exact same team, couldn't do what Brady did (without Gronk even). Rodgers still has time to pass him, but for now, hes only a very close second
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:43 am to League Champs
quote:?
I was all aboard the Rodgers GOAT pain train, until the SB. Rodgers playing vs the exact same team, couldn't do what Brady did
Rodgers scored 21 points
Brady scored 28, and gave up a pick 6. So a net of 21 points
frick I am killing yall
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:43 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
The only people who don't believe in eye test are those who have a Shitty one. I.e. Guys like you who have to lean way too heavily on stats bc you don't really know and understand the game
WTF does this even mean
Seems to mean people that rely on the "eye test" in this context do so because they have nothing to back their claim for giving credit to 1 guy for team accomplishments.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:44 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Playoff Matt Ryan has played the QB position better than playoff Drew Brees.
/thread it's over with.
quote:What up Boom?
I'll give you that Brees > Brady. If you use the same stats to say that Ryan > Brees.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:45 am to League Champs
quote:Well no, because I never said anything of the sort, what are you talking about?
You cant be serious with this Brees could the GOAT shite?
quote:Well, his defense gave up 44 points, so actually Brady couldn't do that either.
I was all aboard the Rodgers GOAT pain train, until the SB. Rodgers playing vs the exact same team, couldn't do what Brady did
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:46 am to League Champs
quote:
I was all aboard the Rodgers GOAT pain train, until the SB. Rodgers playing vs the exact same team, couldn't do what Brady did (without Gronk even)
Now this is one of the worst arguments of all
Ya think playing at Atlanta vs a neutral site might be a factor?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:47 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Or are we giving credit to Brady for his defense giving up 21 and Rodgers' defense giving up 44?
Ya think playing at Atlanta vs a neutral site might be a factor?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:47 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:It is even worse
Ya think playing at Atlanta vs a neutral site might be a factor?
Rodgers scored 21 points, while having the ball less because his defense made 1 stop
Brady scored 28, while throwing a pick 6, so a net of 21 points, while his defense gave him the ball back with 4 stops
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:53 am to shel311
quote:
Or are we giving credit to Brady for his defense giving up 21 and Rodgers' defense giving up 44?
Those that insist the "GOAT" argument is settled clearly do.
ETA: The whole GOAT argument is so boring to me. Its mostly lazy "ring counting" cause we, or some of us at least, want to believe that winning titles takes something special, that it's different from other games because its last.
Brady is clearly one of the all time greats. To me whats more impressive is that he's playing at such a high level at 39.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:55 am to H-Town Tiger
Consider this
Bradys defense gave up 21
Rodgers scored 21
So, if Rodgers had Bradys defense, the game would have gone to OT........
Consider this
Rodgers defense gave up 44
Brady scored 28, and gave up 7
If Brady had rodgers defense, he loses 51-28
This was the whole point of the thread in essence, was to show league champs how stupid he is
Bradys defense gave up 21
Rodgers scored 21
So, if Rodgers had Bradys defense, the game would have gone to OT........
Consider this
Rodgers defense gave up 44
Brady scored 28, and gave up 7
If Brady had rodgers defense, he loses 51-28
This was the whole point of the thread in essence, was to show league champs how stupid he is
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:57 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:
The only people who don't believe in eye test are those who have a Shitty one. I.e. Guys like you who have to lean way too heavily on stats bc you don't really know and understand the game.
I believe in eye tests, then I verify it with stats and facts.
You form a retarded opinion, then ignore all evidence against it.
Once again, we can only hope to be as intelligent as you one day.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:28 pm to TigerBait1127
Brady has benefitted by having a great head coach and a great front office.
Many of his teams would likely have won a lot of games, without Brady as the QB. The defensive numbers suggest that.
Having said that.... Brady has won 5, hard fought Super Bowls and lost 2, close-game Super Bowls.
There is no other QB in the history of the NFL that won 5, or appeared in 7. It's that simple for me.
Yes, Montana was amazing. Probably my #2. 4-0 in the Super Bowl is amazing.
But Brady is the greatest QB to ever live..... 5 RINGS, 7 SB appearances, and 16 AFC Championship game appearances in 16 years is remarkable.
Many of his teams would likely have won a lot of games, without Brady as the QB. The defensive numbers suggest that.
Having said that.... Brady has won 5, hard fought Super Bowls and lost 2, close-game Super Bowls.
There is no other QB in the history of the NFL that won 5, or appeared in 7. It's that simple for me.
Yes, Montana was amazing. Probably my #2. 4-0 in the Super Bowl is amazing.
But Brady is the greatest QB to ever live..... 5 RINGS, 7 SB appearances, and 16 AFC Championship game appearances in 16 years is remarkable.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:33 pm to wheelz007
quote:You literally say the defense has a huge part in wins and losses
Brady has benefitted by having a great head coach and a great front office.
Many of his teams would likely have won a lot of games, without Brady as the QB. The defensive numbers suggest that.
Having said that.... Brady has won 5, hard fought Super Bowls and lost 2, close-game Super Bowls.
There is no other QB in the history of the NFL that won 5, or appeared in 7. It's that simple for me.
Yes, Montana was amazing. Probably my #2. 4-0 in the Super Bowl is amazing.
But Brady is the greatest QB to ever live..... 5 RINGS, 7 SB appearances, and 16 AFC Championship game appearances in 16 years is remarkable.
And yet
You still decide to judge qbs on wins and losses
Want to know the scoring defense rank of Montana's 4 super bowl wins?
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This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:43 pm to lsupride87
So basically Manning was not good enough to take advantage of his stellar defense in 05,07 and 12 and Brees screwed the pooch in 04.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:46 pm to winkchance
Sure
And Brady screwed the pooch in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, and 2015 if you want to try and play that game......
And Brady screwed the pooch in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, and 2015 if you want to try and play that game......
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:46 pm to winkchance
quote:Or, the more chances you get with a great QB and great defense, the more times you'll likely win, right?
So basically Manning was not good enough to take advantage of his stellar defense in 05,07 and 12 and Brees screwed the pooch in 04.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 1:56 pm to lsupride87
Useless in determining greatest qb of all time genius
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