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re: Mahomes is suppose to be an MVP front runner? ETA update. He lost his 4 biggest games

Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:12 am to
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:12 am to
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Mahomes has lost every big game he’s played in this year. That’s not MVP stats


The Chiefs defense has lost every big game they've played in (actually not true since they have beaten Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and the Chargers). Put the Chiefs defense on the Saints team and the Saints defense on the Chiefs and the Chiefs are 15-1 (I remember what the Saints defense played like in Week 1.) and the Saints are no better than 10-6. Saints defense has won the last two games for them. Chiefs defense has won exactly zero games for Mahomes this year.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:26 am to
It is true that the losses don’t fall solely on Mahomes. In discussion of the MVP race though, this is where Brees distances himself from Mahomes.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:39 am to
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and when was the last time Andy Reid won a playoff game? Great coach my arse.


He’s in the top 10 most playoff wins
Posted by Cracking
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 8:44 am to
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It is true that the losses don’t fall solely on Mahomes. In discussion of the MVP race though, this is where Brees distances himself from Mahomes.



Mahommes makes some big mistakes in big games both turnovers and occasionally misses easy throws. He also makes more amazing throws/plays than anyone else that lead his team to a lot of points.

Brees doesn't make many mistakes. Usually he puts the ball where only his receiver can catch it which allows his team to win in many ways (defensively and with better special teams). The only game where Brees looked out of sorts was Dallas. The other low production games looked like poor pass protection, dropped balls and no separation by his WRs.

On the other hand, this year Mahommes has handled the pressure better than Brees due to his size, ability to escape the pocket and throw accurately on the run. It seems like Mahommes throws better out of the pocket sometimes and make the highlight throws that lift his team.

IMHO, if the Saints Offensive line stayed healthy, Brees would've stayed close enough statistically to win, but Mahommes has just done too much statistically to earn the MVP. I'm a big Saints/Brees fan and wish he'd win it, but other than record and intangible things like leadership, I don't see him winning unless the voters give it to him for his career accomplishments.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 9:51 am to
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He won’t have Tyreke and Kelce running wide open all game FYI.


They're both good players but check their stats on dropped balls. Both big play receivers but at the same time can have those moments where they drop the pass on the big play, still really happy they're both Chiefs.
Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 10:03 am to
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He’s in the top 10 most playoff wins


Below .500 in the playoffs, too, and he has one win in the postseason since 2009. I mean, 'playoff Andy Reid' is pretty much a meme at this point, even with Chiefs fans

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Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 10:20 am to
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You're dumbass has no room to talk


Ignoring the low hanging fruit, do you not understand how this thread makes you sound?
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 10:21 am to
Your a dumbass, Ed. You’re posts are bad.
This post was edited on 12/24/18 at 10:22 am
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 10:42 am to
I’m not genius like ole chuker, that’s for sure
Posted by Nonetheless
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 10:43 am to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 10:45 am to
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I mean, 'playoff Andy Reid' is pretty much a meme at this point, even with Chiefs fans


That’s understandable given the massive playoff success they had before him??
This post was edited on 12/24/18 at 10:45 am
Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 1:43 pm to
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That’s understandable given the massive playoff success they had before him??


Playoff ineptitude is very much part of the Andy Reid legacy and was a major reason Philly moved on from him in the first place.

I mean on some level it is indeed odd that the least clutch franchise in the NFL hired Reid, true. But your earlier post seemed to take offense to someone questioning Reid's postseason credentials, which is odd.

Google 'Andy Reid playoffs' when you get a chance.

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Posted by tzimme4
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 2:01 pm to
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They also have beaten the Steelers, Chargers & Ravens.

They beat a Chargers team that was 0-0, a Steelers team that was 0-0-1 and a Ravens that was 7-5. None of those games were really big games outside of maybe the Ravens which you could consider their 5th biggest game this season. Losses to the Patriots, Chargers, Seahawks and Rams were much bigger.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 12/24/18 at 9:10 pm to
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Your a dumbass, Ed. You’re posts are bad.


You’re
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16712 posts
Posted on 12/24/18 at 9:23 pm to
I was pro Brees midseason, but now I think PM deserves it more.

PM going for 50 TD's and 5000yds. Brees total of 3td/3int his last 4 games.
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:06 pm to
Bump
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Posted on 2/2/19 at 6:28 pm to
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