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re: Little Leaguer Killed by Pitch
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:07 am to lsu480
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:07 am to lsu480
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It was the coaches fault 100%
Were you at the game? Do you have a son on the team? Do you know the coach? Have you seen this team play multiple times this year?
But yeah, I'm sure your opinion is the end-all-be-all.
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Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:08 am to lighter345
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My dad taught me a lot of my baseball skills and I ignored some of my coaches and vice versa.
This.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:08 am to BayouBengals03
shite, professionals don't always listen to their coaches, much less a 10 year old, or however old he was, especially talking fundamentals.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:14 am to shel311
Coach: "Jimmy, you are not allowed to bunt. You don't really know the proper technique yet. We'll work with you on it, and maybe eventually we can get you there. But for now, no bunting."
Dad: "I don't give a damn what your coach says. You've got great speed, and you need to use it. If you can just lay a good one down that 3rd base line, you'll beat it out easy. And when you do it in a game and your coach sees how good you are at it, maybe he'll see how valuable it can be for you."
Nope, that situation 100% could never happen.
Dad: "I don't give a damn what your coach says. You've got great speed, and you need to use it. If you can just lay a good one down that 3rd base line, you'll beat it out easy. And when you do it in a game and your coach sees how good you are at it, maybe he'll see how valuable it can be for you."
Nope, that situation 100% could never happen.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:17 am to BayouBengals03
Officials will probably overreact and now batters will have to suit up in gear similar to catchers before long.
There have been cases of little league deaths since the game started. The media is just more instantaneous and wide reaching today than it was a few decades ago.
There have been cases of little league deaths since the game started. The media is just more instantaneous and wide reaching today than it was a few decades ago.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:18 am to BayouBengals03
Even simpler, kid just flat out sucks and no matter what he's taught, when it comes to an actual game, he doesn't remember any of it and squares to bunt like that.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:22 am to shel311
There are literally dozens of different ways that the story could have played out. And yes, it could have been the coach's fault.
The point is that we don't really know. It's stupid to place blame from such an outside perspective that we are in. Obviously, the family and friends of the player may be looking for answers, or maybe they'll just see it as an unfortunate accident. Either way, I'm sure there are people closer to the situation that are in a much better position than we are to determine exactly what happened, and who (if anyone) deserves the "blame."
The point is that we don't really know. It's stupid to place blame from such an outside perspective that we are in. Obviously, the family and friends of the player may be looking for answers, or maybe they'll just see it as an unfortunate accident. Either way, I'm sure there are people closer to the situation that are in a much better position than we are to determine exactly what happened, and who (if anyone) deserves the "blame."
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:42 am to BayouBengals03
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and who (if anyone) deserves the "blame."
It's a sport in which injuries happen often, and death occasionally. Sometimes there really isn't anyone to blame. A kid on my HS team got hit int he face on a bunt attempt on a 93 mph fastball and it wasn't pretty. You can't take all the risk out of the sport.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
I agree. Accidents happen.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:47 am to BayouBengals03
One of my parent's best friends had a brother who killed someone in little league or highschool baseball back in the '50s. He hit a line drive to the pitcher's chest and it knocked him dead instantly.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 1:48 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:54 am to NIH
Yeah, it has been happening since the game was played. We just react much differently these days. I remember as a kid watching Bob Montgomery play for the Red Sox, the last of the "no helmet" guys. As injuries became media fodder, reactions were quicker to occur. My last Dixie League team was one of the first to use the "Yeager Saver."
These injuries have always been tragic, but now evoke a much more different reaction than they did decades ago. I hope people see this one for what it is, and don't overreact. I would hate to see batters now wearing chest protectors.
These injuries have always been tragic, but now evoke a much more different reaction than they did decades ago. I hope people see this one for what it is, and don't overreact. I would hate to see batters now wearing chest protectors.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 2:17 am to lsusteve1
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You have NO idea what this kid was taught.....your just spewing BS. And you're also spewing BS about being around kids baseball more than anyone here. How would you even KNOW this??
I sure as hell HOPE you aren't around it more than I have been the last 15 years or so.....because you'd pretty much be living at the park.
Well considering I have owned a baseball school for the last 12 years and am there all day every day I know for a fact I am around kids baseball more than anyone on here. I can assure you I have been around it more than you the last 15 years. i would bet I have spent more hours around kids baseball in the last year than you have in the last 15. Its ok though because I get paid to do it.
I don't know what he was taught but I do know the only way this could have happened was if he was bunting incorrectly. If he didn't know how to bunt, and was allowed to do it during the game, that is the coaches fault. I see coaches teaching their teams the wrong way AT LEAST once a week and I stop their practices and show the kids the right way and stress the safety issue to the coaches. I see parents teaching their kids the wrong way daily. It really is something I am always anal about and after reading this it makes me glad I always have been.
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10 years olds don't exactly always use fundamentals they're taught, not even close.
This kid was 13 which is why I know it was the coaches fault. If it was some 5-7 yr old then fine, they just do shite on their own. If a coach tells a 13 yr old he is not allowed to bunt, the kid is not going to bunt. If this coach did not tell this kid he was not allowed to bunt it is the coaches fault 100%. Its not his fault for not teaching the kid the right way, it is his fault for allowing him to bunt without knowing how to.
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A kid on my HS team got hit int he face on a bunt attempt on a 93 mph fastball and it wasn't pretty.
If the kid got hit in the face I wouldn't put all of the blame on the coach but since he got hit in the chest it is the coaches fault for reasons I have already listed in this thread.
The reason I keep stressing this is for people on here that coach or have kids that play. You NEED to teach them the proper way to bunt. This was not just an accident and things like this can EASILY be avoided. Be smart, be safe, and have fun
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 2:25 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:37 am to lsu480
there's an excellent chapter in Tim Kurjian's book "Is this a Great Game, or What?" about youth baseball. In that chapter, there's the following passages about kids being hit in the heart:
the chapter goes on to quote Bobby Valentine arguing that kids should be required to wear chest protectors to protect their hearts. It also talk about Ned Yost wearing a flakjacket under his jersey while coaching 3rd, not because he felt he was in danger, but to show his kids that it was ok to do it. Yost talks about how all 3 of his sons wore them through youth baseball.
It's been a while since i've seen stats on this particular injury, but as i recall the danger really wasn't in being hit by a pitch, since kids intuitively try to get out of the way. it's pitchers that get lined drived, or freakish events where kids are hit in the chest w/ a throw that made up the bulk of the deaths -- but i could be wrong about that.
it's an excellent book, and this was a chapter that resonated w/ me because it really highlights the dangers of bad coaching at the youth level, and how it not only drives kids away from the game but is also just dangerous.
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"do you know my story?" Astros manager Phil Garner said.
Garner was the homeplate umpire in a LL game many years ago in Houston when a ten year old boy named Ty McLaughlin was hit in the heart with a pitch. His heart was at rest when he was struck; he had three massive heart attacks and died at home plate. Garner named one of his sons after Ty McLaughlin. "I know the danger," Garner said.
the chapter goes on to quote Bobby Valentine arguing that kids should be required to wear chest protectors to protect their hearts. It also talk about Ned Yost wearing a flakjacket under his jersey while coaching 3rd, not because he felt he was in danger, but to show his kids that it was ok to do it. Yost talks about how all 3 of his sons wore them through youth baseball.
It's been a while since i've seen stats on this particular injury, but as i recall the danger really wasn't in being hit by a pitch, since kids intuitively try to get out of the way. it's pitchers that get lined drived, or freakish events where kids are hit in the chest w/ a throw that made up the bulk of the deaths -- but i could be wrong about that.
it's an excellent book, and this was a chapter that resonated w/ me because it really highlights the dangers of bad coaching at the youth level, and how it not only drives kids away from the game but is also just dangerous.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:45 am to oilfieldtiger
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Ned Yost wearing a flakjacket under his jersey while coaching 3rd, not because he felt he was in danger, but to show his kids that it was ok to do it. Yost talks about how all 3 of his sons wore them through youth baseball.
these mothafrickas went to my high school. also a kid around here got hit in the heart like 10 years ago and died and he was playing in the neighborhood like he did everyday. this shite just sucks.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:47 am to rockchlkjayhku11
My uncle once told me a story a few years ago about how one of his friend's son died playing catch in the back yard when he got hit in the chest.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:49 am to Zach
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Supervised training cannot accomplish what daily reps can.
that is such an american view and has not been proven in skill-based sports like soccer and baseball
training means more than play
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That's why Latin Americans made their big surge in baseball. They play as children today the way we Americans played in the 50s...every day; all day; anywhere.
most latins are joining academies at very young ages
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:50 am to Zach
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But when I go to youth league games I can clearly see that the skill levels are lower.
perception bias
and most LL players are shite. the good kids play on travel teams
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:51 am to BayouBengals03
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My uncle once told me a story a few years ago about how one of his friend's son died playing catch in the back yard when he got hit in the chest.
yeah the kid im talking about took one in the chest off a bat in a cul de sac i think. shite like this just happens. blame doesnt need to be placed on anyone. it sucks arse, but accidents occur.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:57 am to rockchlkjayhku11
fwiw, a single outlier incident shows us nothing about baseball today or 50 years ago
i just got annoyed at the "skill level" argument
i just got annoyed at the "skill level" argument
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, he obviously is basing his comments on observing some inferior play.
He should go to Frasch and watch some 12 year olds today. Any of five teams out there could handle most JV's, or at least give them all they want.
He should go to Frasch and watch some 12 year olds today. Any of five teams out there could handle most JV's, or at least give them all they want.
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