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re: Little Leaguer Killed by Pitch
Posted on 6/4/11 at 3:27 pm to Zach
Posted on 6/4/11 at 3:27 pm to Zach
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but our eye-hand coordination and skill levels were much higher by age 10
i seriously, seriously doubt this
training is so high now at young ages it's almost sick
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In fact, if your child is 11 or 12 and wants to take up baseball for the first time I'd advise against it. It's too dangerous for someone who hasn't developed the muscle memory needed to react instinctively.
and at that age my teams had plenty of kids who hadn't played before. it wasn't a big deal other than they sucked
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Posted on 6/4/11 at 3:30 pm to lighter345
This is why I always teach kids the proper way to bunt. When I see coaches teaching kids to bunt like this it makes me want to strangle them! This death is due to bad coaching and that is it.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/4/11 at 3:31 pm to ATLienTiger
They sell these for this specific reason.
Death of a young person is such a sad thing.
Death of a young person is such a sad thing.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:04 pm to KosmoCramer
This is why little league coaches should be required to have SOME training!
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:19 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Maybe some sort of plate needs to be developed for that area?
One reason it's not is because to get hit in the chest you have to be square with the pitcher. When that happens you have both eyes focused on the ball and actually see it much better than in a regular batting stance where you're tracking the ball primarily with your front eye (the left eye for a RH hitter).
I'd like to know if the victim in this case had good vision. Lots of kids think their vision is fine at 20-30 or even 20-40. They not only function well in every day life but they can hit the ball great in batting practice. But when a really hard fastball is coming at you there is a huge difference between 20-30 and 20-20 in terms of reacting to an inside pitch and getting out of the way.
Mark MacQuire wrote that he spent an hour in the eye doctor's office before every spring getting his contact lens down to 20-15.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:22 pm to Zach
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you have to be square with the pitcher
No one should EVER be square with the pitcher.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i seriously, seriously doubt this training is so high now at young ages it's almost sick
Supervised training cannot accomplish what daily reps can. That's why Latin Americans made their big surge in baseball. They play as children today the way we Americans played in the 50s...every day; all day; anywhere.
The supervised training of today's youth baseball also presents a financial issue that didn't exist in the 'vacant lot' days. There's no telling how many poorer kids don't get into youth baseball because they can't afford to go to the batting cage center.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:25 pm to Zach
When you look at more than 30 years ago there were neither an internet nor a 24 hour news cycle. Plus, kids are playing a lot more and at higher levels of competition now than then. They are training more now than then, and with advancements in nutrition they are bigger and stronger at a younger age now.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:28 pm to Sophandros
All of the stuff you and Zach are talking about is irrelevant. This kid died because no one taught him the proper way to bunt. We can attribute this death to bad coaching and that is it.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:30 pm to lsu480
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No one should EVER be square with the pitcher.
I said IN ORDER TO BE HIT IN THE CHEST you have to be square with the pitcher. I didn't say you SHOULD be square. However, if you are square you have earlier recognition on the ball than if you are in a normal batting stance (non bunting). That's what's puzzling about this case.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:34 pm to Zach
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I said IN ORDER TO BE HIT IN THE CHEST you have to be square with the pitcher. I didn't say you SHOULD be square. However, if you are square you have earlier recognition on the ball than if you are in a normal batting stance (non bunting). That's what's puzzling about this case.
I know what you said, I just said no one should EVER be square. A bunting stance should be very close to a normal stance. People who teach kids to bunt like in this picture are idiots. This is not only dangerous but it is not effective at all.
This post was edited on 6/4/11 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:35 pm to Sophandros
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Plus, kids are playing a lot more and at higher levels of competition now than then.
No, they're not. First, I bifurcated 60 years, ie, 50-80; 80-now. In the 50 to 80 era a much higher percentage of American boys played youth baseball than the last 30 years. It's not even close.
Competition was much higher back then. In my LL, one out of every 2 players trying out were accepted. The others could move down to a Rec dept. league if they wanted to but were not allowed to play LL.
The players today are bigger; just as people today are bigger. But when I go to youth league games I can clearly see that the skill levels are lower.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:37 pm to Zach
In Little League the level of competition may be down but kids that play a lot are playing at a MUCH higher level than kids in the 50s-80s.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:37 pm to lsu480
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A bunting stance should be very close to a normal stance. People who teach kids to bunt like in this picture are idiots.
I agree. But even though your feet are more in a normal batting stance your head should be more square to the plate to take advantage of tracking. You can see this when any major league pitcher is trying to sacrifice. The feet are not square but the hips are turned to allow the face to be square with the pitch.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:41 pm to Zach
Right. In that stance all you have to do it turn your hips away from the pitcher if the ball is coming at you and the ball will hit your back. In the "old style" of bunting where you are squared up you have nowhere to go if the pitch is coming at you. Like I said, bad coaching killed this kid.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 4:48 pm to KosmoCramer
thats a good idea. any little bit of protection could help.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 5:03 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
That is not needed. Coaches just need to take all of 5 minutes and teach their kids the proper way to stand when bunting and how to turn if the pitch is coming at them.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 5:14 pm to lsu480
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That is not needed.
I agree. You can't pad every part of the body.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 5:38 pm to Zach
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Competition was much higher back then. In my LL, one out of every 2 players trying out were accepted. The others could move down to a Rec dept. league if they wanted to but were not allowed to play LL.
You truly have no clue of what you are arguing. Today's Utrip teams would smash your little league teams of lore you are speaking of.
Kids in baseball today are waaaaay more skilled and ready to play baseball at a much higher level than ever before.
Your argument and statements since your original post have been way off base.
Posted on 6/4/11 at 6:03 pm to WHATDOINO
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Kids in baseball today are waaaaay more skilled and ready to play baseball at a much higher level than ever before.
Well, since you were born in 1979 tell me about all the LL games you saw in the 1950s.
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