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re: Let's do a vote. Death Penalty for Penn State?
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:52 am to MikeyFL
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:52 am to MikeyFL
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The Death Penalty is the least of Penn State's problems right now.
There are several issues that could seriously threaten Penn State's accreditation status with the Middle States Commission on Higher Education:
1) Lack of oversight by top officials and the Board of Trustees
2) Non-compliance with the Clery Act
3) The lump-sum payment of $168,000 to Sandusky that was subsequently used to buy state property for the Second Mile.
4) Problems with PSU's background check process
5) Lack of consistent standards across departments and campuses.
6) Failure to implement documented policies and procedures.
Any one of these issues would be serious enough to place Penn State on probation. All of them together constitute a massive problem for Penn State's accreditation.
i've only been talking about shutting down the football program....this is a big can of worms that could be far worse for penn state than just shutting down the football program....
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:54 am to vl100butch
Penn State had, and still has, many weak controls in its process.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 11:56 am to CajunFootball
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Penn State had, and still has, many weak controls in its process.
that's the soapbox i've been on since i started hammering about this...
weak controls and no accountability....topped off by a "saintly" football coach who turned out to be not so "saintly" and a control freak who wanted nothing to come out that would damage his "saintly" status...
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:00 pm to vl100butch
I'm not sure if I would get rid of the program, but the death penalty is not out of the question. .If you want to get rid of the program you'd have to make a strong case considering most of the people involved with the scandal are no longer at PSU.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:06 pm to CajunFootball
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I'm not sure if I would get rid of the program, but the death penalty is not out of the question. .If you want to get rid of the program you'd have to make a strong case considering most of the people involved with the scandal are no longer at PSU.
Talk to some USCw about peeps no longer at program and being punished. It doesn't work that way. It is the institution not the individual that carries the weight of the blame, and gets the brunt of the punishment. It is the institution that is ultimately responsible. There are punishments for players/coaches involved but not nearly as harsh as the penalties leveled on the institution.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:08 pm to vl100butch
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i'd shut the football program down for 2 or 3 years, work with the ncaa to let players transfer with no loss of eligibility and not count against the 85 scholarship limit (with a limit of how many can go to a particular school)
then i'd get rid of the entire atheltic administration staff and bring in outsiders...
Just bc you have come up with some protocols and guidelines for giving PSU the death penalty doesn't make it correct. Nor does it mean it will pan put like you expect. Years after the NCAA gave SMU the DP many of those same ppl said that they regretted the choice and would do it differently if given the chance. SMU was demolished and have never regained a fraction of what they lost. SMU deserved the DP for their on field actions and those same ppl that implemented the DP have since publicly stated that they should NOT have.
Many current NCAA job holders have previously said that
they would never support the DP under any circumstance.
While this case is terrible and unprecedented you will likely never seen the DP for PSU. It can cripple a school.
I do not think PSU deserves the DP, obviously. But the ppl in power will have to decide if PSU as a whole university deserves the repercussions of the DP for decades to come.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:26 pm to MikeyFL
quote:
There are several issues that could seriously threaten Penn State's accreditation status with the Middle States Commission on Higher Education:
1) Lack of oversight by top officials and the Board of Trustees
2) Non-compliance with the Clery Act
3) The lump-sum payment of $168,000 to Sandusky that was subsequently used to buy state property for the Second Mile.
4) Problems with PSU's background check process
5) Lack of consistent standards across departments and campuses.
6) Failure to implement documented policies and procedures.
Any one of these issues would be serious enough to place Penn State on probation. All of them together constitute a massive problem for Penn State's accreditation.
Don't forget the $350,000 in interest-free loans to Paterno that were ultimately forgiven.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:30 pm to dawgfan24348
If child rape doesn't facilitate the death penalty against Penn State, then the NCAA should just get rid of it. Nothing else could possibly warrant it.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:34 pm to fastedLSU
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Many current NCAA job holders have previously said that they would never support the DP under any circumstance. While this case is terrible and unprecedented you will likely never seen the DP for PSU. It can cripple a school.
No one who said that could have ever imagined something this horrendous happening in a football program. I think their statements need to be revisited now the Freeh Report is out.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:35 pm to 10888bge
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Talk to some USCw about peeps no longer at program and being punished
The situations are not the same. They may have some things in common; however, what occured at PSU is far worse.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:44 pm to CajunFootball
Penn St. football needs to be shut down for 2 years. I never liked the terminology but that's what should happen in order to "reset." Good for the program in the long run, and shows the NCAA has some stones.
They will recover soon enough, unlike SMU. Football is too important in Happy Valley to set the kind of academic and other hurdles SMU put in place afterwards.
They will recover soon enough, unlike SMU. Football is too important in Happy Valley to set the kind of academic and other hurdles SMU put in place afterwards.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 12:56 pm to piggilicious
quote:What is penn state, and what did it do?
penn state hasn't been punished.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:06 pm to TejasHorn
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Football is too important in Happy Valley to set the kind of academic and other hurdles SMU put in place afterwards.
That's something that's often left out of discussions about SMU, that the institution itself put in restrictions and having to disassociate key boosters was more costly at a school with such a small alumni base.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:09 pm to PowerTool
No death penalty, no sanctions, no NCAA involvement.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:12 pm to bobbyray21
quote:No chance.
No death penalty, no sanctions, no NCAA involvement.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:13 pm to CajunFootball
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The situations are not the same. They may have some things in common; however, what occurred at PSU is far worse.
True. Different circumstances but I am referring to the penalty aspect. Bush was gone Carrol left and the school still got punished. Agreed that this was more severe, the most horrendous act(s) ever associated with a college period, much less a football program. But the school is always punished for those who's actions have broken the rule/law.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:16 pm to TejasHorn
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They will recover soon enough, unlike SMU. Football is too important in Happy Valley to set the kind of academic and other hurdles SMU put in place afterwards.
BIg difference between PSU and SMU, PSU is much larger, well funded, and if play the cards right can get back to prominence 5 years after sanctions would be lifted.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:19 pm to 10888bge
If I'm on the Board of Trustees, in order to attempt to salvage some sort of image for the school, which now is Sandusky behind some 10 year old in the football locker room raping the poor kids anus, the trustees need to make a bold, historic move to try to wipe that imagery from people's minds. If they don't, it just seems like they are still putting football before the child victims, which is how this happened in the first place. I don't care if they play football or not, but they need to try to rehab their image. Suspending football for a year I think will start them down that road because it will show that football is only football, we can do without out it for a year.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:29 pm to fastedLSU
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But the ppl in power will have to decide if PSU as a whole university deserves the repercussions of the DP for decades to come.
So about as long as they covered up child rape.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:33 pm to AlxTgr
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What is penn state
An institution represented by high up officials.
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and what did it do
Covered up child rape by one of it's own employees for decades to maintain their image.
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