re: Let's do a vote. Death Penalty for Penn State?

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If someone's actually tallying votes, count me in the no crowd with the understanding that I think this year and possibly the following season should be suspended.

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I think this is how most of the yes people feel. Hopefully. The football program as a whole needs to take a step back and recover from all of this.

I don't think the whole AD needs the death penalty, just football.

yes

what are your current verbal commits saying about all this? im kinda shocked those kids are still planning to go to PSU tbh.

No.

Anyone who had anything to do with the incidents directly or who were in power during the incidents are no longer there. No more coaches, no more assistants, no more players, no one....

At this point, who are you really punishing by eliminating the football program? That'd be like you and your co-workers getting fired because a couple managers ten years ago fudged numbers and were involved in insider trading.

It's not about football and it's not about money. I agree with the spirit of what the punishment would stand for, but in practice, you aren't punishing anyone who was guilty or actually deserved the punishment.

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At this point, who are you really punishing by eliminating the football program? That'd be like you and your co-workers getting fired because a couple managers ten years ago fudged numbers and were involved in insider trading.

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You worked at enron and are still pissed you lost your job huh? You're an idiot.

A former penn st player was just on wwl defending penn st, paterno & pretty much everybody involved. The interview was a perfect example of how screwed up these penn st people are.

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the freeh report, beginning on page 62 details the incident involving Victim #8 that 2 janitors saw, discussed and reported to a 3rd. it also describes the mcqueary incident involving Victim #2, which is a separate incident. it also outlines that mcqueary told his father and his father's supervisor (who was a doctor) about the incident. it is also noted that this matter may have been discussed later, between mcqueary's father and univeristy VP of finance and business gary schultz w/ regard to the past due amount on a lease involvling a business that mcqueary's father worked (page 67).

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Go after those people then.

To anyone who says NO to the death penalty, I would like to pose this question to you:

If this case is not worthy of a Death Penalty, then when will there ever be enough reason for the NCAA to issue a Death Penalty?

1) Lack of institutional control. The highest grossing aspect of PSU is football. Staff members from coaches to president to campus police hid this from the public, the NCAA, and child safety officials.

2) This was a competitive advantage for PSU. How? For nearly two decades 17-18 year old men were sold by the coaching staff to spend the next 3-4 years of their lives at PSU. If these young men an their family would've known what was going on behind the scenes, in the same facilities they would be using. How many recruits would've chosen Penn St over other schools? A very small percentage.

3) The outcome of Jerry Sandusky's actions, the belligerent lies and cover ups by university officials to hide this disgusting disgusting situation has led to the ruin of countless lives. Likely, we don't know the half of it.


I get the fact that the current student athletes are in and would be put in terrible situation pending DP. I also know those not involved who attended, competed for, and donated to Penn State are over-whelmingly embaressed as it is. And most imprtantly, I am fully aware that the men who were directly and indirectly involved in this cover up will likely burn in hell forever.

I can't say that I am 100% for or 100% against the Death Penalty, but my question remains.

If not now, then when would a situation arise so blatant that the NCAA could overlook Penn State and issue the Death Penalty to another university with a clear conscious?

It's a valid question to ask.

I'm sure they'll break down my 3 points and insist I have no clue what I am talking about, but I'm just presenting the facts and posing a question that needs to be answered, I'm not condemning Penn State University. That's not my or anyone else's on the MSB's position.

You do realize that you're basically saying that the institutional cover up of decades of child rape by a coach should go unpunished by the governing body, don't you?

Before you say the same tired argument everyone keeps spewing, I think the criminal and civil charges for those directly responsible need to happen also. This shouldnt be an either or situation. Every punishment possible should be brought down because this is such a heinous situation.

It has been implemented only five times.

Despite the NCAA's apparent wariness about imposing a death penalty, it has indicated that the SMU case is its standard for imposing such an extreme sanction.

1. Willful repeat violator;
2. Schools were already on probation;
3. Program is built on deceit and rule violations:;
4. History of violations and "great" competitive advantage through cheating.

"Members of the committee that imposed the "death penalty" on SMU said that they had never anticipated a situation where they would ever have to impose it."

Former University of Florida President John V. Lombardi, now president of the Louisiana State University System, said in 2002: "SMU taught the committee that the death penalty is too much like the nuclear bomb. It's like what happened after we dropped the (atom) bomb in World War II. The results were so catastrophic that now we'll do anything to avoid dropping another one.”

Since imposing it against SMU, the NCAA has seriously considered imposing a death penalty only once on a Division I school, when Kentucky basketball was found guilty of rampant recruiting and eligibility violations.

If you think what PSU did this past decade by covering the criminal actions of a former assistant...meets that standard...that's up to you.